Galaxy of Terror (1981)

Episode 78, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast.

Todd:  Hello, and welcome  to another episode of 2 Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd. 

Craig:  And I’m Craig. 

Todd:  Today’s film, we go back to the extensive of Roger Corman’s 1981’s Galaxy of Terror. This was suggested by one of our loyal listeners, Ryan, as a tribute to a actress that we lost recently, Erin Moran. Erin Moran, probably better known to those of us who grew up in the eighties and and even earlier, as Joanie on Happy Days. And then in the spin off series, Joanie loves Chachi. Chachi was played by Scott Baio 

Craig:  Baio. But 

Todd:  who’s also been in the news recently. Yeah. He was in the news for making a comment about her, after she died, which was totally inaccurate. Not inaccurate about the fact that she had a drug problem, but that it actually led to her death, which, unfortunately, was caused by cancer, which was a bit of a surprise to everybody because she had been keeping it pretty quiet. And, also, I think it came on her pretty quickly. So, one of those unfortunate things. But we got a chance to look back at one of her film roles here directed by a guy named Bruce Clark, and, also an earlier film. Actually, I think it’s the second film, that James Cameron worked on, at least the second film that he worked on for Roger Corman Studios.   The first one of those being Battle Beyond the Stars, just a couple of years before this or maybe even 1 year before this, where he was a set director, did some art design for it, and then he ended up working on this film, graduated up a little bit to 2nd unit director. 2nd unit, for those of you who don’t know, is basically another director that directs the the less important scenes, oftentimes the scenes that just involve special effects or close ups, things like that that the primary director can’t be bothered with. The 2nd unit director does those things, and he designed a lot of the special effects in this film. He designed some of the art, did did some of the art design, really had a strong influence on the look of the movie, and apparently used some really interesting techniques to get some special effects in this film that impressed everyone so much that, he got more and more, popular in Hollywood. And, of course, we know him now as as a a god among men 

Craig:  Right. Right. 

Todd:  In the film world. Right? 

Craig:  James Cameron, he directed aliens, didn’t he? 

Todd:  He did. He wrote and directed it. Yeah. 

Craig:  There there’s definitely a major aliens vibe, going on in this movie. I mean, you can see where, he probably took, I don’t know, some influence from from what he did on this movie, and carried it over to aliens because the plots really aren’t even all that dissimilar. No. And the look of it being in space, and kind of the claustrophobic spaceship kind of, look, definitely is reminiscent of Aliens. And and I like that because Aliens is one of my favorite movies ever. I love that movie. 

Todd:  Oh, yeah. And and this movie, owes a lot to Alien, which just came out a few years before it. I mean, it’s totally an Alien rip off almost, this one. 

Craig:  Yeah. 

Todd:  It it’s almost like cross Alien with Star Wars, but but definitely lead way more heavily in the Alien direction. And that’s what this movie is. And you’re right. Like, even the set design from this almost entirely rips off of Alien and then completely informs Aliens. And I’m thinking especially about the ship, the, the idea behind it. You know, like, Alien, when it came out, was pretty groundbreaking in that it showed us a different kind of space. Like, Star Wars even showed us a different kind of space as well. Right? It’s it’s this space that’s kinda worn.   It’s kinda it can be grimy at times. It’s like a lived in future, even though technically Todd Wars doesn’t take place in the future. Right? But it’s it’s like it like should a very lived in kind of quality about it. You know, you have these droids that break down and are kinda cobbled together by different parts. And, you know, everything, about the set design and the production design of Star Wars was kind of unique in that way. And then Alien also went in this direction of instead of space being this pristine, clean, really nice and fresh new thing, we we really followed a crew of it’s almost like an oil rig in space. Right? 

Craig:  Right. Industrial. Yeah. 

Todd:  Very industrial. And then instead of these Buck Rogers type characters, you swashbuckling heroes. You’re basically with the blue collar workers of space who are scouring for garbage and things like that. I don’t remember. Researchers? What what were the guys in the original aliens actually do in the original alien actually doing? 

Craig:  In aliens, you had, like, these marines, like, soldiers who were going in on this mission, this recovery mission. And that’s exactly what’s almost exactly what’s going on in this movie. 

Todd:  Yeah. 

Craig:  Well, first of all, over the when the credits are coming up, it’s just kind of this blue, dirty, alien landscape. We there’s not any action going on, but we just kind of get a sense of, outer space. And then it cuts to this old lady who I guess is some sort of like, I don’t know, prophet or something. She says her name is Mitra and she’s the interpreter of the signs, and she’s sitting there with this guy who is identified as the master. And, he looks like a man, but you can’t see his face because there’s, like, this red aura all around his head. They get news that this planet has been found and apparently this is something that they’ve been looking for for a long time because the master’s really pleased about it. And he says that he wants to send a crew, a rescue mission, because there had had been a crew sent to this place and they had never heard back and and they finally were able to locate where they were or something like that. And so he wants to send a new crew for a recovery mission and this prophet lady says 

Clip:  You would do that, such risk.   It has been too long. I’m tired of waiting.   Death will surround you.   It is the only way.   A terrible way.   But sure. Yes, master. Put together a class 3 ship with normal exploratory and defense equipment. You will command the rescue mission. I will personally select the crew. 

Craig:  I mean, really, it the the basic premise is almost identical to aliens. And then once they once they end up getting to this planet, then of course you still got the same premise where, you know, they’re confronted by this alien species or whatever. But it has a little bit different of a twist, as well. It reminded me also a little bit of event horizon. 

Todd:  Where 

Craig:  it’s in space and people are having to kind of confront their fears and their nightmares and things. But, you know, in this movie, it’s a cheap movie, it’s a B movie, it’s a Roger Corman movie and that’s what he really was known for. But I was really kind of impressed. I mean, you could tell some of the things, well you could tell a lot of it was cheap. For example I think the first time we’re actually in the spaceship and we see the captain or somebody kind of you know, hitting instruments on the wall, you you know, it it looks pretty obvious that this is like cardboard. Like like, the the whole the whole wall kind of moves anytime she touches a a button or something. And there are other places where if you’re paying close attention, you can tell, for example, I read that the interior of the spaceship, the walls, was made up of, McDonald’s takeout boxes. Like the old styrofoam burger boxes that the burgers used to come in.   They’re just opened up and glued on the wall and painted over. And if you’re looking, you can tell. I mean, it is obvious that that’s what those are, but it looks pretty good. And and yet even another connection to aliens, I read that Bill Paxton Todd of connections even though this one came first. And really as cheap as the movie was, it was made on a $700,000 budget according to Corman, as cheap as it was, it looks pretty good. It’s really not bad. Even when you can tell that these actors are probably standing in front of a matte painting or maybe even a green screen, it looks good. You know, it’s interesting visuals.   It’s it’s fun to look at. 

Todd:  Yeah. I agree with you. And I think if it feels cheap at all, it kinda feels cheap in the filming. Like, the cinematography feels a little cheap. But, and and some of the acting and writing. Well, yeah, you know, all the other stuff. Yeah. 

Craig:  That’s some of the acting, but some of the acting is actually quite good. Like 

Todd:  Oh, yeah. 

Craig:  Well, you’ve got, you know, Aaron Moran, may she rest in peace. I I wasn’t, we like to do this. We like to do tributes to to the stars that we’ve lost. I I think, you know, they deserve a little bit of credit in their passing. Erin Moran, you know, she’s just one of those actresses who was such a part of such an iconic piece of television history that she’s 

Clip:  just in my consciousness. I know who she is. This movie came out while Happy Days was still running. 

Craig:  She looks fantastic. Is her acting superb? She looks fantastic. Is her acting superb? No. Probably not. You know, She worked with the writing that she was given which was not anything spectacular, but you know it’s definitely a passable performance and she’s nice to watch. You know, she’s pretty, she’s likable, and you appreciate her. There are lots of faces in this movie that you’re going to recognize. There’s a character named Kor played by Ray Walston, who I was trying so hard to recognize.   I knew I had seen him in a bunch of stuff. I guess he’s most famous for my favorite Martian. He was maybe the main guy on that show. What I recognized him from was he played candy in the John Malkovich version of of Mice and Men, and I teach that book and I’ve shown that movie a million times, but he he’s, quite a good actor. And then you’ve also got a very young Robert England, playing a character named Ranger, and I really like him. He’s not one of the largest characters, but it’s fun to watch him. Again, such an iconic guy and of course known mostly for his role as Freddy Kruger. But just to see him, you know, he’s young, he’s fresh, he’s good looking, but you definitely also see in certain places in the movie little scraps of the scary Freddy Craig vibe that will come later.   So while overall the acting and the writing is not great, there are some shining moments and some shining performances and and I thought that really kind of raised this above the level of your typical b movie. For a b movie, I would give this a high score. 

Todd:  Yeah. I completely agree with you. And, you know, while you’re rattling people off, another person, Grace Zabriskie, who ends up playing the cap the the captain in here is emblematic of, I think, what the actors have put it into. You’ve got good actors who are given some pretty goofy roles. And at least in her case, I thought it was the goofiest role, and she hammed it up like you wouldn’t believe. 

Craig:  Oh, yeah. 

Todd:  The as the captain, she’s supposed to have come off of this earlier mission that’s just alluded to, the only survivor of the Hesperies massacre. So she’s just got this intensity and kind of ridiculous lines really that that start off the whole movie that are trying to paint her as this tough as nails, doesn’t take crap from anybody thing. But honestly, because of the writing, it it comes off really forced. 

Clip:  Oh, crew, this is Trentor. Lift off in 30 seconds and march. Captain, no one’s prepared. They’ve got 30 seconds to get prepared. 

Todd:  I mean, like, what no space captain would ever do of any ship. You presume because it’s kind of this rescue mission, they have all the time in the world to do this. It’s not like it’s not like but but she’s like, let’s push it. Let’s get it into hyper warp speed or whatever. That’s kind of dangerous. We’re just gonna do it anyway, and she just does it. Putting her crew in peril for absolutely no reason at all just to add some intensity, to these early scenes and to give her character, you know, this tough as nails attitude. So dumb 

Craig:  Yeah. Really. Yeah. And and yeah. And and she, again, is is another super she’s got such a distinctive face. I mean, if you’ve watched television or movies in the last 20 years, you’ve seen this lady. She was in The Grudge. She was in Twin Peaks.   She was, in Seinfeld. She’s been all over the place. And when I saw her, she’s one of the first crew members you see. And when I saw her, I was like, oh, I love her. She’s great. She’s really not given much to do. She’s anchored in the spaceship the whole time until she eventually somehow mysteriously gets fried. I don’t even really know what happens, but regardless, you know, it’s fun to see her face there.   And she, like you said, the writing is so silly, but she commits to it. 

Todd:  She’s like, what we’re going to do. 

Craig:  Yeah. Exactly. And again, like you said, while we’re kind of rattling people off, more members of the Craig, there’s the hot blonde, who is, Demia, who I really didn’t recognize, but when I looked at her IMDB profile, I saw that she was from New Year’s Evil. Yeah. And that’s another movie we’ve talked about. And I think I think don’t you think she was probably the blonde in the bar that the guy picked up? 

Todd:  I think so. Yeah. She’s the one. 

Craig:  Or the blonde’s friend. Anyway, yeah. 

Clip:  Yeah. Yeah. 

Craig:  Anyway, sexy blonde, big boobs, you know, had to have one of those in in an eighties movie. And then you’ve got a character called, Q Todd. I don’t know if that’s how you pronounce it, but he’s played by Sid Craig. And and Sid Haig is probably most famous for his work with Rob Zombie in, House of a 1000 Corpses and its sequel, which I can’t think of the name of right now. And he’s a scary, scary guy in those movies. And in this, it’s funny because this movie was made in 1981. He looks virtually the same as he does today. Mhmm.   This kind of ensemble of these really familiar faces for a fan of the genre and, you know, just of of TV and movies in general. It it’s nice to see all of these people at a different time in their career come together in this movie that I don’t know if I’ve ever even heard of this movie before. 

Todd:  Now, you know, one other person we have to mention on here again, this probably isn’t gonna mean anything to anybody who’s younger than us, but Zalman King plays Balan, one of the other guys. 

Craig:  Recognize him. Where was he from? 

Todd:  Well, you know, he’s not really recognizable as a face. He’s had a limited career as an actor, but I remember on cable TV, I think it was HBO or something, Zalman King’s The Red Shoe Diaries was, one of those, you know, like, sexy programs that as a as a, you know, as a young adolescent, you know, you try to catch when it came on. Right. And he did tons of this, like, softcore erotica, basically, for cable TV and is pretty famous for that. It’s funny to see him. I didn’t actually know that he had an acting career at all until I saw this movie and looked at, oh, yeah. He’s got, like, a dozen of the of these acting credits, but just went on to be a very notorious producer of of these just softcore sex movies for, for Cinemax. Right? Yeah.   Skinnymax. Yeah. Absolutely. Everybody’s got, like, these distinct personalities. And part of what makes this such a b film is that maybe the character’s a little too well drawn. Yeah. They’re a little too okay. You’ve got the toughest nails captain who’s got this past that is always haunting her.   Balan, who’s just he’s just skeptical of everything, doesn’t seem to like anybody, and just kinda wants to press ahead on his own. You have Kor, who’s the cook, who’s the mysterious guy who actually kinda seems to show up a little late and doesn’t have a lot to do even though at the end of it, he ends up playing a huge role in it. He just kinda sneaks in and then comes leaves out of nowhere. You have Demia who, like you said, the The sexy one. The sexy one, right, who you don’t really know why she’s there. She’s supposed to have some talent, but who knows? Illumah, I didn’t get what her role was. Oh, no. She was like the psychic.   She 

Craig:  right. She can sense things, and this was such a strange weird part of this movie. Like, I never really understood like, she’s supposed to have some sort of power, I guess, but or or psychic ability, but I could never really understand what it was that she was supposed to be able to sense. Like she just keeps saying throughout the whole movie, oh, I feel it, or oh, no, I don’t feel it. Like, like, 

Clip:  what? What do you feel? 

Craig:  I don’t, what’s happening? Well, like, I think that she could maybe, like, sense other life forces or something like that. 

Todd:  It’s kind of funny because, like, it appears that, like, she’s, like, running the whole operation there for a while. Like, their entire plan is just to walk around with her until she senses something, and then they go in that direction. I mean, you’re thinking, don’t don’t they have some devices or something that they can, like, scan around? And you realize they’re just going forward because she senses this or she doesn’t sense that. And at one point, she says 

Clip:  Absolutely nothing. If anything can be found, Cap, 

Todd:  then I’ll find it myself. 

Clip:  Balon, I’m size sensitive. The subtle energies do exist. They even pay me to sense them. Alright? 

Todd:  I think they’re trying Todd, again, very clumsily paint this notion of the future where there are this is a profession, you know, that there are people who have these. But it’s so clumsy, and it’s just kinda chucked in there, And it doesn’t really go anywhere except when it’s convenient for the plot at that particular time. And then Quahad is this, as you said, is is he’s like a mute through the whole movie. He’s another person who likes I thought he was gonna have a lot more to do, and he really didn’t. 

Craig:  Well, I I read that, initially in the script, he, you know, was just another crew member much like the rest of them, but Sid Haig thought that his dialogue was was super corny, which I’m sure is true because the rest of it all is. But so he asked the director if he could play it more like a mute, and, the director went along with it, and so he only has one line, in the whole movie. He’s this you know, we don’t know anything about any of them. We don’t know anything about their backstories except for the captain who was in some kind of failed mission or whatever. But, Kuhad’s thing is that he has these like crystal ninja stars, that he uses as weapons. And, his his only line, in the whole movie is at at some point, he uses his stars to, like, prevent a door from opening, and and they end up getting shattered. And somebody else, I think it’s, Balon, tries to give him a gun, and, Q Todd just says 

Clip:  I live and I die by the crystals. 

Todd:  That’s that’s 

Craig:  the only line, he has in the whole movie, but, 

Todd:  my gosh. He says it with all the gusto that you can muster for that line though. 

Craig:  Sure does. He sure does. He’s just got he’s got such a distinct look, about him. You know, he’s I I think he played is it Captain Howdy he played in House of 1000 Corpses in the other one? He’s just got this really gruff look about him, and and he’s fun to see in this. Then there’s also Cabrin, who ends up kind of being the hero of the movie, And he and Illumina, have some sort of romantic Todd, and he’s played by Edward Albert, who I guess did some work in in the Power Rangers franchise. I recognized him because he was in a movie called Butterflies Are Free with Goldie Hawn, which was based on a play that I was in once and I played the same role that he did. So, I recognized him from that. But, you know, it’s it’s actually almost kind of too big of an ensemble.   At least that’s what I was thinking in the beginning, especially since they all have these really weird names. It’s kind of hard to keep track of who is who. But what they do is they end up kind of setting up interesting ways to kill each of them off. And each of those was in fact quite interesting, and and I enjoyed watching all of them. So I’m I’m glad that, they they did have this kind of large group of people to play with. We better get to the plot. 

Todd:  Yeah. Otherwise, I run 

Craig:  out of time. They so like you said, they have to go to this planet. I think it’s like planet Organthus or something. And like you said, captain Tranter hyper speeds it there and everybody kinda, you know, things are shaking and falling off cabinets and, the, the people, the people are like shaking in their seats and things. And, but, but they get there and like, they literally get there in about 30 

Clip:  seconds. Right. 

Todd:  Which I 

Craig:  thought was so funny. Like, okay, we gotta go. We’re here. 

Todd:  My favorite part of the sequence is that, apparently, flying the ship involves just basically flipping a bunch of switches. Yeah. There’s no there’s no flying really going on. It’s just flip these switches, flip this switch, flip it. 

Craig:  Well, and everything is so low tech. You’ve got, like, a computer screen with just an image of the spaceship on it. And, like, the spaceship will, like, tilt to the right a little bit and then it’ll straight itself out and then tilt to the left a little bit. But they get there and, they go to investigate, I guess, this outpost where these other people were. We had seen, I guess I failed to mention, in the very, very beginning, there’s just this really short shot of an astronaut running away from something, and he’s, like, he’s carrying guns and he locks himself in a room. And we see something outside the window. It’s kind of amorphous, like you can’t really tell what it is. And then he just, like, gets thrown up against the wall and dies.   So we know there’s some sort of threat. And when they get there, immediately, they encounter a couple of Todd. And, like, for reasons I don’t really understand, they immediately incinerate the bodies instead of, like, investigating what might have happened. 

Todd:  That didn’t Todd any sense to me at all. Like, it it it seems to be a big priority there. It says, like, let’s burn these bodies as quick as possible. I don’t know if they’re worried about some kind of infection or something, but like you said, their whole purpose to be there is to figure out what happened to this crew. So the fact that they just incinerate them the minute they come across them, doesn’t make a lot of sense. 

Clip:  No. It doesn’t. But 

Craig:  but they find they find at least 2 that they incinerate right away, and then they’re all kinda walking around. And another thing that, I thought was hilarious about this movie was that immediately anytime they get somewhere, they split up. Which of course as you know in these types of movies is always a great idea. Kos, who I don’t think we’ve mentioned yet, we’ve said they’ve all have just kind of these silly character tags. Cas is the jumpy one. His only distinctive characteristic. He’s the jumpy one. Wildly.   So, he’s looking around and he’s by himself, and he sees, like, this kind of cockroach beetle kind of alien, and he runs away from it terrified and he’s so terrified that he can’t even speak and doesn’t even tell the other people. But they see that he’s terrified and so they all walk off and leave him behind. And, he’s then, attacked and killed by this insect like, alien. And then we jump back into the spaceship where everybody is regrouped. Aluma says something like, I sensed the life force around Koss, but then when he died, it was gone. Like, how did 

Clip:  you even know he died? Like, did somebody turn around and 

Craig:  go back? Oh, darn it. 

Todd:  They don’t seem very broken up at Ca. I was kinda happy that Caas went too. I mean, first of all, you knew he was gonna be the first guy. Second thing, he was so jumpy. It’s sweating all the time. It’s just super annoying. 

Craig:  It was pretty funny, I thought. Hilarious. And and when they’re when they’re back there, Trantor I mean, she she drops all these lines about how it was just like this on Hespus or Hespus or whatever. That’s that’s how it was on Hespus. First, you don’t see anything, then they’re everywhere. And, like, I so I kept thinking that there would be some connection, like, yeah, between this mission and the Hesperus mission, but really it doesn’t seem like there is no, she just keeps, she just keeps making connections that aren’t there. 

Todd:  Oh, yeah. 

Craig:  But then they get on their super high-tech computer and they do, like, this scan of the landscape and, when they get to area 4 19, I don’t know what that means, like, the camera goes off, like, there’s there’s too much energy there or something. And so they they know that that’s where they have to go check things out. And so most of them go. I think some of them stay behind. I don’t remember who stays behind. The captain stays behind and Ranger and Core stay behind, but I think the rest of them go. And they, go and they find this alien pyramid which again is probably one of these matte paintings or maybe it’s a set that they did with miniatures, I’m not sure. But it looks really cool. 

Clip:  It does. 

Craig:  When they find this pyramid. And then then of course they have to go, explore that. So split up, of course. Yeah. And go explore the pyramid. But it it’s fun. It was a cool set piece. 

Todd:  They’re really lucky because the minute they land on the planet, they do an analysis of the, atmosphere, and they’re like, well, it’s it’s pretty crappy out there, but at least you’ll be able to breathe. So they don’t have to wear, like, space suits or anything, which I’m sure saves a lot of money. But they do wear these, like, giant packs on their back. And as far as I could tell, the only function of these packs was to be, like, giant, heavy, cumbersome flashlights. There was Right. There was nothing else that was, like, in them or that they could do except they had these two lights kinda by either side of their head that shone forward, which, from a production perspective, is very convenient for lighting the scene and lighting the faces and actually has a really neat effect. And, again, I you can totally see that in the design for aliens going forward. The planet, as they’re out walking around, it looks very similar.   Even, like, coming across a big structure like this looks very similar. And, again, the design of their packs and things, except Todd alien, you know, they were more like space suits, and they had a little more function to them than they do here. 

Craig:  Right. 

Todd:  But, yeah. And and I love when they’re climbing. So they end up, like, literally having to climb this pyramid to get in, find an entrance. And the whole time they’re climbing up, the second in command, 

Craig:  Commander Ilvar? Commander Ilvar. 

Todd:  Suddenly getting super emotional. 

Clip:  Like like, what? 

Todd:  You know what I mean? He stops. He’s like 

Clip:  I’m getting old. I’m tired. I’m tired of giving orders, and I must be for home. You’re not old, Commander. No. When I’m looking at you, I’m not. 

Craig:  I’m so old. Why am I here? 

Todd:  And then Oh, excuse me. They finally get to this opening, and they look over it. And he starts reciting poetry. 

Craig:  Like Yeah. Some weird thing about demons and, like, I I started to write it down, and then I’m like, no. This is too weird. I’ll just let Todd play the clip. 

Clip:  Doubt his brother demon to despair. Yeah. The demon’s tail dealt with his souls. Go to him, not to him. 

Todd:  Anyways, so they they drop him. He decides to go down in. He’s gonna be the first one to kind of rappel down into this opening, and they’re not even sure how big it is or how deep it is or what happens. So they lower him down in there, and, these tentacle things kinda come out from the wall. And it’s they they grab onto him. They’re almost like leechy, I guess, in Yeah. Ends to them. Like, they can stick to him, and it looks like they’re starting to suck something.   And at first, he kinda cuts them away, but in the end, they overtake him, and he’s dead. 

Craig:  Well, there’s there’s kind of an important I don’t know. It it feels almost like a throwaway line, in the moment, but Cabrin goes down to to see what happened. And of course, the the guy’s gone, but, Demia says, there was nothing but these wormholes. I hate worms. And then later, Luma mentions something about hating tight spaces. And that becomes an important plot point because what we come to find out later is that every all of these aliens and monsters that they face are just manifestations of their fears, which I think is actually a really interesting concept. Not that it’s not been done before, it’s been done a 1000000 times, but in this kind of space alien environment, I thought that that was interesting. 

Todd:  You do have to be paying attention to pick up on that, though, because I have to say, like, it wasn’t until I read a synopsis of the film that I realized that that was what was happening. 

Craig:  Towards the end, I think that it’s Ranger who figures it out. And, then, spoiler alert, not like we won’t get there anyway. But actually, it is kind of a spoiler because it really surprises me. Eventually, Illumah dies, and I didn’t think that that was gonna happen. I thought that she and I thought that she and Cabrin were gonna be the the sole survivors. Yeah. But but when Cabrin finds her, this it all kinda happens concurrently. You know, Ranger figures it out, and then he finds Cabrin, and Cabrin has just found Aluma.   Ranger says something like 

Clip:  It was my own fear that attacked me, rocked life somehow by by this place. I knew them when I saw Luma. 

Craig:  So they they do make mention of it. And I think he even says something like there are no nightmares here or no monsters here except for the ones we make 

Todd:  in our 

Clip:  minds or 

Craig:  something like that. 

Todd:  I remember that now. 

Craig:  And it’s not entirely clear because, you know, like, it seems like if they figure that out, then they are able to escape their fears Right. And their fears can’t harm them. But if they don’t figure it out, then they they truly are in danger because most of them most of them get killed, by the thing, that they fear. So I don’t know. It’s a little clunky, but as a concept, I thought that it was, I don’t know, clever. 

Todd:  Yeah. It’s a cool concept, and it is clunky. And I think what I would have preferred was to realize this in advance. I think it would have helped my enjoyment of the film that if I knew this more in advance as opposed to it being kind of a reveal toward the end, I think I just would have enjoyed it more. Because as it plays out for so much of the film, it just seems like so many random crazy things are happening to these people that there’s not a coherence to it. You know? It’s we’re Right. And and it’s not like there needs be. I mean, it’s an alien planet.   There could be all kinds of life forms and all kinds of dangers here. But, again, you get this sense it’s being set up that there is a singular threat here. And so to see it manifest itself in all these different ways without much of an explanation, it, to me, just seemed like so much of b movie hodgepodge, you know, thrown together. Right. Like, this would be a cool monster to have. This would be a neat scene for them to have to deal with. And it wasn’t until afterwards that I realized, hey, this movie was actually a little more clever, you know, than it felt for most of them. 

Craig:  Right. 

Todd:  Does that make sense? 

Craig:  Yeah. Yeah. It does. And to be fair, I read a synopsis too before I watched it. So I kinda knew that was gonna be going on. I don’t know if I would have caught on to it, had I not read that. But having read the synopsis and knowing, that kinda helped me out. And, you know, like I said, it does manifest in interesting ways.   Like I told I said before about how Quahad’s when they’re going into the pyramid, Quahad’s crystals get broken because he tries to use them to stop a door from opening. It doesn’t work, and they get shattered. When they all split up to go looking around inside the pyramid, he goes back outside to where the crystals had shattered and all of a sudden they, repair themselves. And he’s all excited, and he goes to grab 1, and it kinda stands itself up on end and shoots itself into the flesh of his arm, like, stabs under the skin of the flesh of his arm. And he grabs it and tries to pull it out, but a shard of it breaks off in his arm and starts making its way up his arm. And so he takes the other part of the crystal and chops his arm off, and then the the severed arm picks up the other crystal and throws it at him and it, goes right into his heart, and he is dead. And then pretty much immediately after that, Jamea goes looking for him, and she goes out and she finds his body, and I feel like may she incinerates his body, but then she kinda like trips over the severed arm, and it’s covered in maggots. And I guess that and the maggots are kinda riding around on the arm.   Not that it’s important, but a little bit of trivia, I read that that was James Cameron’s, you know, effect, and the way that he got the maggots to ride was by, running an electric current through the prop. And everybody was really, really impressed, and that kind of was a feather in his cap and and led to him going on to do more things. But she sees these maggots, and she’s already said that she hates worms, and so she kinda runs off. And then we see one of these worms grow into this giant thing, like this giant mutant space maggot worm. And then I I I tried not to read too much about this going in because I didn’t want Todd, you know, I didn’t want it to be entirely spoiled, but I read that there was this infamous scene, and this is it. And I want you to describe it. 

Todd:  Oh boy. 

Craig:  Because I don’t I I just you you you talk about it, and then I’ll tell you what I think. 

Todd:  Well, you know, when you see the poster for this movie I love the poster. The poster for this movie is this classic, like, pulp dime store, sci fi novel or comic book cover, which has these, like, aliens. It’s like an alien landscape, and it’s got these evil looking aliens, and they have a woman, you know, whose whose shirt is half ripped, you know, her clothes are half ripped off kind of backed up against us, you know, a stone. It’s it’s super sexist. It’s super super not PC, and it’s absolutely every single one of those dime store novels, almost like, you know, Harlequin’s novel cover. 

Craig:  Right. You know, 

Todd:  they they were a dime a dozen. And this scene seems to kind of take that and literally recreate it. She backs up, and you can see this giant worm. And it’s pretty suspenseful because you could see it behind her, but she doesn’t see it. And so she backs up into it. And when she turns around, it starts going over her, and it looks like it’s about to consume her. It looks like it’s eating her, and at first, that’s what it looks like. She’s she’s kinda covered with slime, and she’s, like, screaming, and her back’s on the ground, and she’s writhing around.   But then it’s like ripping her clothes off, and you get these kind of nude parts in here. And it doesn’t take but about 15 seconds for you to realize that this worm isn’t eating her. It’s like raping her. 

Clip:  Mhmm. 

Todd:  It’s shot in this way. It it’s like shots of her, and at first, she’s screaming and she’s yelling, and then you get the sense that there’s a little bit of the pleasure in her face. And then there are shots of the worm over her, and it’s got these awkward, like, tentacle, hand, arm things that are kinda moving back and forth. And then there’s this unmistakable bit towards the very end where there’s this very definite, like, a second and a half of, like, thrusting going on over the bare legs. And I was like, oh, man. I didn’t read about this before I went in, and I watched I saw this and I thought, this is unusual. This is not something you see outside of, like, a Japanese tentacle rape anime or something like that. 

Craig:  Right. 

Todd:  I that came out of left field for me. Like, totally came out of left field, and it was a little uncomfortable. And I have to say, like, it was unique, and I actually expected something to come from this. I thought that it was like impregnating her or something. 

Craig:  Right. 

Todd:  But no. I mean, that’s just kinda the way she goes, I guess. 

Craig:  Yeah. And okay. So I read that the way that it was scripted was she was just supposed to be attacked and killed like most of the other characters. And then at the last minute, the director said that he would like to try this other thing 

Todd:  where It was it was Roger Corman, the producer who had promised it? He had promised his his, you know, his partners and distributors that he would have some, nudity with her. 

Craig:  And Okay. 

Todd:  And, initially, you know, it was just gonna be like her clothes got pulled off or something in the scene when when the thing was eating her. But then he came up with this rape scene idea, and, the director and she were not really comfortable with that. So, actually, Roger Corman himself took over directing this scene. 

Clip:  Oh. 

Todd:  Yeah. So he actually directed this scene in the movie, and she was she ended up being pretty okay with it, but she wasn’t didn’t wanna do so much nudity. So they ended up using a body double for a bit of of the nudity in here, and yeah. 

Craig:  Gotcha. Okay. Well, that makes that makes sense. You know, and boobs, of course, and b movies, you know, that’s that’s, you know, part and parcel of of the genre, and that’s that’s fine. It the only reason it bothered me, and it’s not that it you know, you’re right. I think that the reason that it was off putting maybe is just because it it came so out of left field. Like, it just seems like like, tonally, it doesn’t fit in this movie. No.   You know? It doesn’t. Other than that, this feels more kinda like a lost in space kind of, not family friendly because there is, you know, violence and gore and stuff, but, it’s got I I I don’t know how to describe it. It’s got a lighter feel, a lighter Todd. And this is is graphic and violent and and silly too. I mean, you know, it’s a giant worm. And we talk about these, effects, you know. This is a classic b movie giant monster. But I felt like they did it really well.   The way that they shot it, it looked scary rather than looking silly. I mean, you didn’t ever see it in really in its entirety. You just saw it in pieces and Craig, and and it was and it was wet and juicy, and and it, you know, the movement seemed fairly organic. It was, it was it was good the way that they did it. But the whole the whole rape thing was just kind of weird. And I read that initially because of that scene and because of some additional gore that they ended up having to cut, the movie initially got an x Craig. And they had to cut out some of the the worm thrusting and some of her moans of pleasure, and like I said, they had to cut out some some gore shots too. But, yeah, I don’t know.   It’s just a weird scene. I get why it’s kind of notorious. Yeah. Because it’s weird and gross. But creative, at least, you know, at least we’re not seeing the same kills over and over again, and and I liked that about it. 

Todd:  True. Yeah. I mean, it’s fine. As far as I’m concerned, it is is fine. Totally off from the rest of the movie for sure. And and clearly, it wasn’t originally part of the script. You know? You can tell. 

Craig:  Right. And and eventually, they find her nude body and just incinerate it. 

Todd:  Incinerate it right now. Like 

Craig:  Darn it. Another Todd down. Incinerate it. 

Todd:  Well, and that’s And that’s another thing that’s a little off about this movie is that the again, the there’s almost no emotion. Well, to be fair, all of these people were just assembled. They really didn’t know each other before this, but there are times when it’s convenient for the plot for them to try to draw some emotional connections between the characters. But generally speaking, when it’s not convenient to the plot, they’re just fine, like, killing people off, and nobody really bats an eye, right, 

Clip:  Right. 

Todd:  As it goes along. And that’s one thing that kinda keeps this movie again from really rising up, I think, above its b movie status. You’ve got your cardboard cut out characters. You You got things happening to people, and everybody just throws their hands up in the air. Oh, well, I hope we can survive. And then I think the thing that that was troubling me as we went through this, so there’s a scene where Cook confronts the captain. The captain’s kind of going crazy, still back in her ship. Mhmm.   Almost irrationally, just she’s kind of going nuts. Just I just think this is just her trajectory. Like like like, this was just gonna happen to her eventually if you she sits alone by herself for a while. And Cook, again, comes in from out of nowhere. I’m not even sure we saw him much before this. And suddenly, he’s taking an interest in the mission, And he’s his name is Kor. I’m sorry. But, like, literally, he’s the cook. 

Craig:  Yeah. Right. 

Todd:  And and the captain runs out and just sort of dies in the airlock that was kind of clunky and kind of weird. Mhmm. Mhmm. You know? But, anyway, they all end up coming back from the pyramid again. It’s like they keep making these little expeditions out, and they keep coming here. 

Craig:  Right. For 5 minutes. Yeah. 

Todd:  I know. I hope somebody died. Let’s let’s 

Craig:  let’s go back to let’s go back to the ship to talk about things for 5 minutes. 

Clip:  We’ll come back. 

Todd:  Exactly. Cook asked to join again, and then what comes is one of my favorite lines. They go back in, and it I don’t know. Do they find a different entrance every time? Because it always looks just a little different, when they come in. Right? 

Craig:  I don’t think so. I I think it’s actually the same one because Cook comes out and and says it it appears to still be open. My So I don’t know. 

Todd:  My favorite light is, when Illumina turns to Cameron, and it looks like they’re trying to build this kind of relationship. He’s the dashing man, and she’s the 

Clip:  Right. 

Todd:  Whatever. The one who’s left. And, she says 

Clip:  Aren’t you afraid?   Too scared to be.   I almost thought that I misheard that. I thought 

Todd:  I had no idea. Myself. 

Craig:  I don’t get it. 

Clip:  It 

Craig:  is a good line, though. It’s funny. 

Todd:  Yeah. It’s great. Well, they come when they go back out, they find these tubes that descend down further in there. And so naturally, they decide, well, I guess we need to go into these tubes. Even though Aluma is afraid of tight spaces, they just recklessly start throwing themselves down these tubes. Like the whole movie, the thing that this is what I’m getting Todd. The thing that bothered me the most about this movie is these guys really, like, they have no goal. Like, they’re just continually going into this pyramid to confront whatever, but we’re kind of long past this notion that they’re gonna find more crew members or if they’re ever gonna figure out what’s happened to this crew.   They’re just exploring this thing to their inevitable demise. You know? 

Craig:  And getting picked off 1 by 1, and it’s hilarious. There’s even at some point, I think it’s a Luma says something like, They’re acting like snipers picking us off 1 by 1. And I was like, Duh, you guys keep splitting off 

Clip:  from one another and going off by yourselves. Obviously, they’re gonna pick 

Craig:  you off 1 by 1. Oh, Todd. It it it’s humorous because it’s so silly. And, like, they so they get they go down these tubes and the tubes are hilarious cause they’re really just slides. Like, it reminded me of Goonies when they’re going down, like, the watershed. Exactly what 

Todd:  I was thinking. 

Craig:  And they end up, at the end of these slides at this really cool set piece that I don’t know how to explain it. It like, kinda like The Matrix or it reminded me of a movie called Cube, which is also a sci fi kind of horror movie. But they’re, like, kinda on this bridge grid. 

Todd:  Yeah. Over like an abyss. 

Craig:  Yeah. Yeah. And, Cabrin keeps saying, everybody stay together. You know, we can’t separate. And Balon keeps hanging out in the back. Yeah. And Cameron even says to him, like several, like, at least twice, like, come on. It’s not good to get separated or whatever.   And he just keeps hanging in the back, and he eventually gets attacked by what I took my note as as like a wolf devil. Like, I I couldn’t I didn’t know It kinda looked like the devil. It kinda looked like a wolf. I don’t know. But, it attacks him and throws him off the bridge. 

Todd:  It it was a cool creature effect, but, again, like, I’m still not clear on what his fear was. You know? I mean, all it’s it’s a neat concept, but it’s not really played to its full health in in a lot of these cases. It’s just like a scary creature. Like, I would be afraid of a big scary creature like this, so this is what’s gonna kill 

Craig:  me. Sure. 

Todd:  And what was coming before this, what kind of separates him from the group, I didn’t quite understand either. There was this whole opening and closing the door kind of shtick that it that revolved around this big triangle on the ceiling. Did you get what Yeah. What was going on there? 

Craig:  No. No idea. Okay. 

Todd:  No idea. Weird. They’re like, if you open it, it comes, and if you close it, it goes. Open the door. Now close it. Yeah. I don’t know. It was strange. 

Craig:  I didn’t know either. The only thing that really kinda stood out about all of that was Core, the guy we keep calling Cook because he is the cook. He kind of suspiciously seems to be familiar 

Todd:  or or at 

Craig:  least kinda, like, have some insight into what is going on in here. And and, of course, as it turns out, he does. But, like, he kinda keeps going off by himself. It it’s him who discovers that whole door thing with it making this triangle appear and disappear. I have no idea what that was or why it was important. And Ranger, Robert England, is is suspicious of of Kor because at some point back in the ship, Cor had knocked him out for reasons that I don’t understand. 

Clip:  But, 

Craig:  so he’s kinda suspicious and and and it makes us suspicious. But and then, like, things just kinda kept happening that I didn’t understand. At one point, Ranger, Rob Bert England, just loses his shit on Cabrin for 

Clip:  That’s right. 

Craig:  Reason, like and I had no idea. Like, what is your problem? 

Todd:  I know. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, why is he suddenly going crazy on this guy? And it seems to imply, like, that he knows him, like, that they have some past together or something, but it doesn’t fit with what we’ve seen so far. 

Clip:  But you’re lording it over me like you were still the patron saint of the academy Cabrin. Believe me, those days are long passed. What?   I said quit playing the master with your friends, Cabrin, old Todd, because I’m done calling after you. Did you know that, buddy? I’m shredding myself with my own buddy fingernails. Did you know that? Do you even care? 

Craig:  It was strange. I liked the scene because Robert England really has this intensity in his acting that I really enjoyed, and I enjoyed seeing it, but it didn’t really make sense. No. I guess, you know, they just kinda calm him down. And then these triangles, these lit up triangles appear, and Aluma walks through 1, and it closes off behind her. And then Kabrin, it seems like he’s walking through the same one, but it 

Todd:  I think so. 

Craig:  He ends up somewhere else. 

Todd:  It’s put it’s like transporting them to different places, I think. 

Craig:  Yeah. And then they yeah. I think so too. And then once they’re all transported Todd these different places, they’re, like, kind of locked in there, and it’s almost kinda like a beehive kinda thing where they can, you know, there’s these there’s these panels, these, like, kinda transparent panels that they can see each other through, but they can’t hear each other through and they can’t get through them. 

Todd:  It’s like a fun house mirror maze kinda thing where some 

Craig:  of 

Todd:  some of it’s glass and some of it’s mirrors. You’re right. And like, they’re all just transported parts of it. 

Craig:  And then, Ranger, somebody grabs him from behind, and he turns around, and it’s him, Robert England, playing both of these parts. And and, like, there’s good ranger and bad ranger, and this is where I was like, oh, man. I can so see Freddy Krueger coming up out of here, because he’s got this just this really he’s so good at it. He is. I’m envious of his his talent because he’s so good at this menacing scary look. And, so good ranger and bad ranger fight for a while, and good ranger shoots bad ranger several times, and, like, bad ranger is actually, like, Terminator ranger. 

Clip:  Like, he’s, like, robot or something. 

Craig:  And and because of that because of that, Ranger figures out, like, oh, it’s our own fears. So I guess Ranger’s fear was 

Todd:  Himself. 

Craig:  Facing a Terminator version of himself. Yeah. Yeah. Weird. I don’t know. Aluma is off by herself. And, again, like I said, I I I did not expect her to die at all. I thought for sure that she would be the nice pretty girl who would make it through the whole thing.   But no, she crawls into some kind of tight space, and she ends up, like like wires or hoses or something shoot out of the walls and wrap her up and, like, totally crush and and and destroy her, and and she’s dead. I I kept thinking that Cabrin would show up and save her because he’s, like, right behind her, but he’s too late, and and she’s totally dead. And that totally threw me for a loop because I thought that that romantic pairing would be the last ones. 

Todd:  Yeah. And it and, also, this one was a little tonally off from the rest of them as well. I mean, it’s it’s it’s a gory kind of movie, but in general, the kills up until this point weren’t super explicit, and this one was really gross. I mean, these tentacle things are wrapped around her. And, actually, at first, I thought we were in for another tentacle rape scene. It was I was Todd. I I was getting Shades of the evil dead too where they were, you know, they were wrapping around her legs and stuff. But then it’s just they crush her, and it is absolutely explicit in the crushing of her face and the crushing of her arms and her legs.   It’s pretty gross. Again 

Craig:  And you can hear the bone snapping. It’s, yeah, it’s it’s gross. 

Todd:  Oh, yeah. I mean, hats off to the special effects in this in this. But, again, I was not expecting that level of detail coming up. 

Craig:  Yeah. Me either. Even And I think that that’s another scene that they had to cut. And even with it being cut, it’s still pretty, graphic, especially Cabrin meet back up and they have this little conference about, oh, okay. Well, it’s just our fears. There’s nothing to fear but fear itself apparently. Mhmm. But then they’re in this huge room, which again reminded me of Alien or Prometheus or, like, where they find the engineer’s room, or whatever.   And it’s this huge room and, like, there’s this big it it looks like a staircase, but I don’t think that there are any stairs there. And, Core appears at the Todd. And, Cabrin says something like, you knew about this. You knew what would happen or something. And then Cabrin climbs a magical staircase 

Todd:  Yeah. 

Craig:  That appears stair by stair. And, like, I again, I didn’t get it. Like, were we supposed to believe that now that he knows that he can manifest things, he can manifest this staircase? Is that what we were supposed to think? 

Todd:  I I got the sense that Kaur was manifesting the staircase. But, again, I 

Clip:  It could be. 

Todd:  It could be. It could be anything because it’s not clear at all. 

Craig:  Right. And and so then he gets up there and he and, Caburn and Core have this conversation, and we find out what has really been going on all along and why Core has seemed kind of odd throughout. 

Todd:  It turns out that Core, I guess, is actually Xerxes, this planet master, whatever, with the red face that we had from the very beginning. And he explains that this alien pyramid is a kind of puzzle for children of an ancient alien race. Yeah. It’s kind of a an initiation of sorts to put them through the paces, I guess, make them confront their fears or something like that, to determine who’s gonna be the leader, who’s gonna be the king, or who’s gonna be whatever. And that he himself, went through this, and that was what made him the planet master Xerxes. I guess he’s looking for a successor. Is that what it is? 

Craig:  I guess it I guess so. I guess 

Todd:  Even in the explanation, his motivation is not entirely clear. 

Craig:  No. But, yeah, it’s it’s like an even more messed up Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Like, he brought all these people here to test them to see if they were worthy of seceding him. And the only one well and again, plot wise, it doesn’t make any sense because we never see Ranger again. Ranger doesn’t die. He doesn’t go anywhere, but cavern is established as the last survivor. 

Todd:  I I didn’t realize that. You’re absolutely right. 

Craig:  And and there’s there like, I guess atop this weird tower or whatever is where, Kora is gonna put Kavrin through his final test, and all of the dead people show up, and try to attack him. And of course, they’re all in various stages of gore and and grossness. Like, he doesn’t even really fight them back. Like, it’s all of them except it’s all of them except Aluma, and they kind of, like, all come around him and are, like, down like, he’s on the ground, and they’re leaning over him acting weird. And then they just disappear. 

Todd:  Yeah. 

Craig:  And he wakes up and Aluma is kneeling over him and and talking to him, and he he kinda stands up and she comes like she’s gonna kiss him, but then she grabs him and she starts throttling him, and he pushes her away, and he vaporizes her or whatever. And then all of the monsters that we’ve seen kill anybody else show up and he fights them off. 

Todd:  His main weapon is a series of backflips. It seems like he just back he backflips himself out of everything. That’s all he needed to do. And I wish he had told everybody else they could done the same thing because they would have all been able to defeat these monsters by actually away from them dramatically. 

Craig:  And then he he he finally he defeats all of them, I guess, and he ends up again just face to face with KORE and, and again, like there’s no explanation for these things. Like they’re just standing there, Cabrin and Core are just standing there. All of a sudden these white orbs of light come out of Cabrin’s abdomen, shoot into Core. Core’s red glowiness goes away, and then Kore is like, now you’re the master. And Kravin’s like, well, I’ll never do what you did. And Kore’s like, you already have because you’re the master now. And then Core dies, and then Kvaerin’s head glows red. It cuts to the exterior of the pyramid, and the credits roll. 

Clip:  Yeah. It’s like like, what? What just happened? Where is Ranger? Like, like, how are they gonna get home? 

Craig:  Like, oh, it’s so weird. But I didn’t even care. Like, the whole movie had been kinda weird, but also, surprisingly entertaining. And so when it was over, I was like, okay. 

Todd:  That was fun. I think it’s the kind of movie that when it’s done, you look back on and go, yeah. That was kind of fun. Because it it subverts your expectations in a bad way all the way through the movie. You know, sometimes when we say, oh, it’s subverted by expectations, it means that, oh, it took something I expected and put a cool twist on it. In this case, I was expecting it to go somewhere, and it never did. This is not a movie I think you wanna watch late at night when you’re tired. And I remember this happening to me too before.   The problem with it is there’s really no sense of urgency or motivation propelling these guys through. You get the sense that the film is trying to set up this mysterious mythology from the very beginning with Xerxes, this planet master, with this red face who is kind of set up in a Darth Vader y kind of vibe or something. You’re not quite sure because Yeah. You know, this commander comes across the screen. He’s calling him lord, and he’s the one who’s going to assemble this group. And, he seems a little sinister from the beginning, but he’s also meeting this psychic woman oracle or whatever in what looks like like an apartment. You know? And and so it doesn’t really quite click or gel if this how significant is this guy? They’re calling him this lord, but I’m not really getting it because it’s never set up properly. And so the sense of urgency to lead them through the tasks that they have to do was never quite clear on me.   And then the climax of the movie where he’s facing this lord and he’s going to be the next one, again, I I really didn’t know what that meant. I mean, what does that mean? Does he go back to the apartment with the oracle and Right. 

Clip:  For a 

Todd:  while? You know, like, I it it didn’t feel as significant to me as I suppose it was supposed to because nothing was developed before this. For me watching it, it gets kinda boring. I mean, it’s not boring in the sense that cool things don’t happen, but it’s kinda boring in the sense that I’m really not sure why they’re continuing to make the choices they make and why this mission is so important. Why at some point they’re just throwing their hands up in the air and turning around and walking away. 

Craig:  Right. I felt that way at some point too, but then there came a point where I was like, okay. They don’t care, so I don’t care. You know? Like, let’s let’s just let’s just go with it and see who gets killed next and how, and and I was okay with that. The way that it subverted my expectations was I expected it to be really bad. It’s got all of the necessary ingredients for a bad movie. You know, it it it in a way, it kinda reminds me you know how you go on a ride at, like, Universal Studios and it’s one of those rides where it’s mostly, like, actors are, like, okay, we’re on a mission, and now we have to do this, and come along with us. And then, like, you know, you you go on part of the ride, and then there’s more actor scenes and stuff.   It reminded me of that Todd some extent. But I was actually surprised by how much I enjoyed it. It was fun to watch and there were some really, the effects were Todd. They were fantastic. And even though, yeah, and even though it was made on the cheap, like, I really liked looking at this scenery. It was really neat to look at and I I wasn’t bored. I mean, I it’s a short movie. It’s only like an hour and 20 minutes.   And there were parts, especially I would say, you know, maybe towards the end of the first half hour where, it kinda started to drag just a tiny bit, but it got back into the action and I liked it. Doctor. Yeah. Doctor. I could see me watching this again. You know, if I flipped by it late night on on TV and it was on, I might sit and watch it again. It was 

Todd:  it was fun to watch. Yeah. I agree. The facts are great even though the story doesn’t make a lot of sense, even though it’s really kinda hard to follow. You go with it because it doesn’t feel like a cheap film in in many ways. 

Craig:  Right. It it’s ambitious, and I think for the type of movie it is and for the budget they had, it it it’s it’s a success in in many ways, much more so. You know, you and I have watched a couple of Corman movies, and I’ve seen a couple others, and I’ve seen others in that same vein. And you’re right, sometimes they look really cheap, and this one doesn’t. I liked it. It was fun. 

Todd:  Yeah. Well, thank you again for listening to another episode. If you enjoyed this one, please share it with a friend. You can find us on iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, anywhere your favorite podcasts are sold. Also, you can find us on Facebook. Like us there. Leave a comment. Let us know what you thought of this film.   Thanks again, to Ryan who left us a comment there and point us towards this film as a tribute to Aaron Moran. 

Craig:  Thanks, Ryan. 

Todd:  Until next time. I’m Todd. 

Craig:  And I’m Craig. 

Todd:  With 2 Guys and a Chainsaw.