Bad Moon (1996)

Episode 513, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast.

Todd: Hello and welcome to another episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.

Craig: And I’m Craig.

Todd: This week, we’re jumping into some werewolf action with 1996’s Bad Moon Which is a movie that you picked this week. I was kinda surprised ’cause I had never heard of it before, and we did a whole werewolf month where- I know … we were doing some werewolf research. Did- how did this one slip by us?

Craig: I don’t know. And I feel like maybe I came across it sometime, you know, around that time. I, I really think I was just, uh, searching through things and happened upon it on some streamer. I, I think right now it’s streaming on Amazon Prime. I had never heard of it either before seeing it, but from the time that I saw it, I th- I had it on a list somewhere and- 

Todd: Hmm

Craig: thought, “Why not?” 

Todd: Yeah, why not, huh? So yeah, I just… It’s weird because it’s a Morgan Creek production. I laughed about it because as the credits came up in the very beginning and they play the intros with all the studios and things involved in here, there was Morgan Creek that came up. They used to have, I don’t know if they still do, but I don’t even know if Morgan Creek is still producing movies, but, uh, back in the day of Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, right?

That was their huge hit, and ever since then, when their logo came up, they would play that theme song. << Da, da, da-da, da, da, do, do, do, do, do, do >> You know what I mean? And- 

No. 

Yeah, okay. Well, you weren’t- … paying attention. But it was- No … it was very nostalgic for me. It brought me back to high school. In 1996, I was, my last year of high school.

I was thinking if this had come out maybe a year or two earlier, this is probably a movie I would’ve rented with my friends. 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: You know? And so I was, I was very surprised I hadn’t seen it before. But, but had you? 

Craig: No, not before I ran across it, which was probably sometime in the last year or so, and I’m kinda surprised too, except for that I read that it just, they, they didn’t- 

Todd: Bombed.

Craig: Well, it bombed, and because there was no advertising really. Like, they didn’t do much advertising for it at all. So I think people just didn’t really know about it. Plus, uh, the main people in it, you would recognize them and you’d recognize their names for sure, but they weren’t, like, big blockbuster stars or anything.

Right. The, the late ’90s was an interesting time for horror. I liked it. I still go back and watch those ’90s movies. This one, honestly, though it definitely has a ’90s flavor, I would say particularly in the cinematography, it also gave me ’80s vibes too. Hmm. A little 

Todd: bit 

Craig: maybe. And maybe that was kind of because of the somewhat kind of family nature of it.

It’s, it’s a little maybe… Because there’s a cute dog and there’s a cute kid in it, it’s, I don’t know. It’s, it’s got more of that f- a little bit of that flavor as opposed to, like, the angsty teen other stuff from the ’90s. But, but no, I, again, I, I really had never heard of it. Don’t recall- Having seen a trailer or anything, and regardless of whether or not it was publicized well when it came out, I’m still surprised I never came across it, like you said, on the video shelves or like Werewolves aren’t at the top of my list for things that, you know, like of my favorites, but I will watch about anything and- 

Todd: You will.

Craig: It never crossed my path. It- a- and again, I’m just surprised because I’m not gonna, you know, start the podcast out by saying it’s a great movie. It’s not. But there’s good stuff about it, and stuff that’s worth seeing and that I’m surprised doesn’t get talked about more. 

Todd: Yeah, although, I don’t know, man. I can kinda see why it doesn’t get talked about more.

Number one, you said lack of star power is big. Although, Mariel Hemingway, she was in a fair number of things around this time. She was in some television. She was in a Tales from the Crypt episode I remember particularly well. I m- she’s not an unrecognizable face. Matthew Perry, who stars as her brother, he’s still working hard.

Craig: Oh my God, I looked… I know. He- He does like 15 movies a year. 

Todd: He’s, like, got the career I would want, you know? Like, just nonstop work, but not a household name. Wouldn’t know him if I walked down the street, but jeez. And we’ve done some movies with him in them. We did, uh- 

Craig: Yeah … 

Todd: Village of the Damned. 

Craig: Bone Tomahawk.

Todd: Yeah. He’s been in a lot of stuff. So much stuff. And he’s fine in this. He’s great in this. But I don’t know. I feel like there’s a lot to criticize here, and that might be the problem. At its core, it’s not a bad movie. It’s well-filmed, I think, if only just a little pedestrian in that way. 

Craig: Yeah. Yeah, it is.

Todd: Like, there’s nothing very stylish about the filming. It’s lit in that brightly lit way that a lot of ’90s movies were lit, so e- even in the dark, there’s very little shadow. You know? There’s very little mystery about the sur- 

Craig: Yeah, that’s true … 

Todd: surroundings of what’s going on, and that keeps it from being too sinister and dark and scary.

There’s a lot of gore in here, and I was actually surprised because tonally it doesn’t feel like the kind of movie that would have a ton of gore. But it does, and so I guess that’s a good thing. But it is a little strange because tonally it doesn’t feel like that kind of movie. And I guess my biggest problem with it, and I’m sure we’ll talk about it later, is just the plot.

And it’s a simple plot, and simple plots aren’t necessarily bad, but I just think the pacing is off. I feel like the movie takes too long to get around to the central conflict, and by the time we get to the central conflict, there are 20 minutes left and it’s gotta wrap it up. And so I feel like a lot of potential was lost because I learned that this was based on a novel, and when you read about the changes they made from the novel you go, “Oh, okay.”

So this was a s- a werewolf story told from the perspective of the family dog, and that’s a great concept and I wanna read that novel. Actually, I really do. It’s called Thor by Wayne Smith. And I wanna read that novel 

Craig: Downloaded it this morning. 

Todd: Oh, did you? Okay, nice. 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: You wanna read it too. 

Craig: I do. 

Todd: You know, there was a bigger family involved.

Obviously, with a novel you can do things from the dog’s point of view that would be quite interesting. It sounds like there was a lot more conflict. It sounds like there were some more thematic interesting things going on there. And like I said, what a great idea. There’s a lot to explore with that. You know, the tension between this dog knowing whether or not this…

You know, is this a threat to the family or is this one of my own? How does the dog deal with that? God, this movie just, just kinda stripped out what sounds like all the most interesting parts of the novel and made it into this story that’s so basic that I could never really connect with it very much.

Craig: That’s fair. 

Todd: I had to come to the conclusion that your main reason for choosing this is you just wanted to see a dog on the screen for a while, like, like our last movie we did. 

Craig: Pretty much. I mean, the last movie that we watched, the last movie that we watched, Good Boy, reminded me of this movie because that movie is told from the dog’s perspective, and I remembered that the, the novel that this movie is based on also was.

So that’s what sparked the memory. But yeah, that’s what I was gonna say, like, yeah, if you’re coming at it for a story, you’re gonna be disappointed. 

Todd: Hmm. 

Craig: I don’t think I was really coming at it for a story. I, like, I knew it was a werewolf movie. I was looking forward to the effects because even based on any images you see anywhere about it, you can tell there are gonna be some cool practical effects, and there are.

And yeah, the, the whole dog thing. And it, and those things- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: I really like. And it’s only an hour and 20 minutes long. Like, I, again, that was a big selling point, too. I’m like, “Oh, an hour and 20 minutes? I got an hour and 20 

Todd: minutes.” Yeah. But 

Craig: you’re right. Like, not a lot happens, and I can see why the book would be more interesting, which is why I too wanna read it.

Because I think that the movie is trying maybe kind of to say something about the power and/or nature of family and, and… You know, in, in the book I read, again, I haven’t read it yet, but I read that the dog, the family dog, whose name is Thor- is conflicted because it’s conflicted between protecting its, its pack, which it views its whole family as its pack, but it’s confused because I guess the uncle kind of should be family or should be part of the pack, so it’s confused.

And it’s, I, I feel like it’s difficult to portray that on screen. Mm-hmm. I, I guess they did the best they could. I, I wanna say that I thought that the, everything with the dogs, there’s one primary dog that they used. Like, I guess the director f- searched and searched and searched and finally found this dog that he really liked, and that’s the one that’s used for most of the close-up stuff.

Like, all of the real like face acting, that dog did. But there were others that did other- Dunts and stuff, yeah … like fighting things and stuff. Right. So the dog is great, but I will say that I was kind of looking at my watch on a couple of those scenes where it was just like a stare down between the dog and the uncle.

Yeah. Like, okay, I get it. Like- 

Todd: Right. 

Craig: I, I, I get it. They, they are, you know, standing off, but we don’t, we don’t need, we don’t need, yeah, we don’t need to see them glaring into one another’s eyes for five minutes, like- 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: So yeah, I, I, I do think that, I don’t know if you’re right that it squandered opportunity or if that was just too difficult to translate to the screen.

That may be part of it, and I do think that you’re also right that the acting is a problem. Now, the director of the movie apparently was really enamored with Michael 

Todd: Pare. 

Craig: Like, he just thought he was the greatest. There were, there were a couple of other I think kind of bigger name… I don’t know, maybe not at the time.

I think Michael Biehn or Ben or however you say his name. I, I think the guy from Terminator, the good guy from Terminator was up for it, and somebody else I don’t remember. But the director was super… He, he just thought that Michael Pare was just such this great actor. And then Mariel Hemingway- … he did not think was good at all.

Todd: Uh-huh. 

Craig: I don’t know. Yeah. Like, I thought they were… It, it, I don’t know if it felt like they were in two different movies. Um, because it seemed like Michael Pare was really going for it to the extent that it almost seemed, like, silly, like he’s trying too hard. Uh-huh. Or, or, or it could just be that he was acting against- I, I don’t know.

I don’t know what she was doing. 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: I don’t- 

Todd: I know, right? 

Craig: I, I don’t know if she’s a good actress or not. It really just kinda seemed like she was going through the motions here and- 

Todd: It felt a bit sitcom-y from her side, just very plain and blah. I don’t know. It just didn’t really feel like much of a character that had a lot of depth to it or anything.

And to, to be fair, I don’t really, didn’t really feel a lot of that from him either, but I don’t think that’s his fault. I don’t necessarily think it’s the fault of the acting. I think it’s almost a fault of nothing significant happening between them. You’ve basically got this brother and sister who reconnect, and he invites her to visit her- him Out, and then they have a nice little time, but whatever.

Like, they don’t have any deep conversation or anything. And then she invites him to come live in their ba- in his Airstream in their backyard for a while. And again, just like, “Okay, brother.” I mean you know? Like, I mean, what… There was no real conflict there. No. There was no real tension. There was no real buddy-buddy time.

Craig: No real backstory. 

Todd: You couldn’t feel like, “Oh man, they get along so well,” or they have these, these hobbies together or anything. Like, there’s just nothing. It’s just like th- he could’ve been anybody living in the back of her apartment. He could’ve been an Airbnb guest or something. Like, it just- 

Craig: True … 

Todd: there was no nothing between them that just wasn’t portrayed, and I think that’s a fault of the writing more than anything else.

There just weren’t opportunities for them to show how these characters relate to each other, and that just made it all feel kinda eh, okay. So when there’s an issue between them now, because he’s a werewolf now, I’m just not really sure where it’s going and I’m not really sure what the conflict is. You know?

What’s the problem here? I don’t, uh, 

Craig: yeah. 

Todd: He, he’s able to seem to keep it under control pretty well. Yeah, and just, just like- 

Craig: Yeah. Kind of. I know. I don’t… The movie doesn’t really seem to be… Honestly, the more we’re talking about it, the movie really doesn’t seem to be all that concerned with story or continuity.

A lot of it doesn’t really make sense- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: uh, to me anyway. But I thought that you would be into it from the first scene. I was like- Boobs … “Oh, good, Todd’ll 

Todd: like this movie.” Boobs, sex, gore, and some really great werewolf. I, I mean, that was great. I mean, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna argue against some boobs and some sex and some gore at the beginning.

I mean, that’s a great way to kick it off. Very Roger Corman way to kick it off. In Nepal, this guy, uh, what’s his name in the movie? Michael P- I wanna call him Mike. Ted. Ted? Ted is out with- Ted, I think … with Marjorie, is that who it was? 

Craig: I don’t- 

Todd: His girlfriend. They’re doing some, I don’t know, they’re scientists or something?

Who knows what they’re 

Craig: doing. 

Todd: The movie never tells us. 

Craig: I have no idea. I guess- I don’t know if they’re, like, scientists, if they’re, like, romancing the stone. I don’t know 

Todd: what they’re doing out there. Maybe they’re just camping. Maybe they’re just traveling, you know? And- Right … in, in Nepal, and we know it’s Nepal just because it says Nepal on the screen, and there’s some vaguely Nepalese people who’s sitting around in a campsite in the woods.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, there’s some beautiful scenery, you know, as the camera pans over everything while the credits go. But ultimately they’re in the woods, and they’re in a tent, and there are these natives outside And there’s a whole bunch of noise, and it sounds like the natives are getting attacked.

And you would think that this happening right outside their tent would be some cause for alarm, but they are so into banging that apparently they don’t hear it. And yeah, it’s a, it’s a fine sex scene until, uh- 

Craig: Until, well, a, a werewolf shows up … 

Todd: a shadow behind her on the other side of the tent. He- she’s riding him, so he looks behind her and is, like, terrified, and then it tears through the tent, picks her up and yanks her out.

I mean, this was all pretty good. 

Craig: That looks great. Yeah. Yeah. 

Todd: It was all really good. 

Craig: It’s really violent and bloody. I was shocked at how bloody. And I think that was… I mean, that was, that was a stunt, grabbing her and yanking her back. That was a stunt woman in some sort of contraption. I thought it looked good and violent, and he gets scratched across his chest, and other guys are getting mauled- Yeah

and it’s really graphic- Blood spray … and practical bloody effects. 

Todd: We see a lot of the werewolf. 

Craig: We, and we do. We see a lot of the werewolf from the beginning really, at least its face and stuff. And then, I don’t know, maybe halfway through, maybe not even halfway through, you just get a full look at the werewolf.

Mm-hmm. Like, this movie does not hide that it’s a werewolf movie at all. 

Todd: I like that about it. 

Craig: The, the guy behind the effects was Steve Johnson, who has done, like, everything. We’ve talked about him bunch before. He designed Slimer in Ghostbusters, he w- did Evil Ed in Fright Night, he did Species, and Night, he worked on Night of the Demons and Nightmare on Elm Street 4, which we just talked about, and other big stuff outside of the horror.

And I thought that the effects were really cool. Yeah. Like, it’s a guy in a suit a lot of the time, and it looks like it. You know, when it’s running through the woods, it doesn’t look particularly agile. But you don’t see that very often. It’s mostly just, like, face and claws. But the face is at least sometimes partially animatronic- Mm

Todd: and 

Craig: it all looks- 

Todd: Good enough … 

Craig: if not organic, it looks real. Like, it looks real- Yeah … on camera, and, and I, I like that stuff. 

Todd: Some, I mean, obviously w- with any of these practical effects, the limitations of, you know, the animatronics, the puppeteering do ultimately show. If you linger a little too long in a close-up of the face while it’s snarling and things like that, you kinda realize, “All right, this only snarls one way.

Its eyes only blink one way.” You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. But that’s just typical of this kinda thing. It’s, I don’t thi- find it a problem. I just like seeing something real. 

Craig: Same. 

Todd: And here in 1996, when we were getting a lot of cheesy computer graphic effects- 

Craig: Uh-huh … 

Todd: that is very welcome that they chose to go this route instead, and I think the director was pretty adamant about it.

And so that I was very grateful for, and so every time there was a werewolf attack and the werewolf was on the screen, I cheered it on. I loved that part. 

Craig: Y- and this is a good one, but at the end of it, the guy, who we don’t know at this point, but we learn later is Ted- Blows the wolf’s head off 

Todd: Yeah 

Craig: And that’s all we know.

Again, we don’t really know what he was doing or why he was there. Mm-hmm. Um, but then we move to a forest in the United States, I think, or Canada. I can’t tell. Did they ever say? 

Todd: You know what they didn’t say. It’s, we just know he’s out in the mountains with the lake. 

Craig: I- yeah, it seems kinda like, it seems northern to me, but what do I know?

It’s like, uh, you know, mountains and forest and- 

Todd: Yeah, Colorado or something … 

Craig: Janet is a single mom who lives there with her son, Brett, played by Mason Gamble, who the only thing I recognize him from, he was in that Dennis the Menace movie. He was Dennis the Menace. Oh, really? Okay. Ugh, yeah. And that, that movie annoyed me.

My sister liked it I think- … but ugh, got on my nerves. And their, and their dog, this great big giant German shepherd named Thor. And Thor really kind of becomes the hero of the movie- Mm … I guess because there’s no other… It, it, it’s kinda hard to determine- 

Todd: Right … 

Craig: who is the main character. Is Thor the main character?

Which I think the answer is yes, he is. Or is it Ted? Because we start with Ted, and then like you said, he comes back. The mom gets a call from him. 

Clip: Ted you? Where are you? You’ve been back that long and you haven’t called me? You creep. Of course we’d love to see you. Yeah, we’ll be up to the lake in a few hours 

Craig: And so they drive to wherever he is, relatively nearby, like they can drive there and back in one day.

Todd: Right. Yeah. He has his strange brothers just down the road, really. But he’s in an Airstream, so you know, he’s probably camping out here, camping out there. He might not have, like, a permanent… 

Craig: And right away, I, well, I don’t know. No, maybe it’s later. At some point, the boy, the little boy finds werewolf book.

Is that now or is that after he’s already there? He, he, he eventually goes to their house. But while he’s… You know, they have a nice visit on the beach or whatever and then he starts acting weird because it’s getting dark and he’s like, “You guys have to leave. Okay, it’s time to go, time to go.” And the only way that he can get them to leave is by promising that he’ll come and visit.

Fine. Then out of nowhere the n- the same night or the next day, he calls her and he’s blubbering about family and I thought he was gonna kill himself, but while he’s talking, then we see outside his Airstream are tons and tons of cops. Like, this is a huge crime scene because obviously they found the dead people in the tree.

Was that when Thor found the dead people in the tree? I don’t know. Now, what I don’t understand here… Now, what I do understand is that the reason the cops are all there is because he, as a werewolf, has killed a whole bunch of people and hung their body parts up in a big spiky tree- … that Thor saw. I understand that.

Todd: Ah. 

Craig: What I don’t understand is why there are, like, dozens of cops with multiple cop cars around, but nobody’s talking to him and he just leaves. What? Like, would- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: wouldn’t he be, like, the prime suspect? You 

Todd: would think 

Craig: there- Like, uh, we found a whole bunch of bodies right over here 

Todd: By you.

Yeah. 

Craig: Did you see anything weird? 

Todd: No? Okay. 

Craig: Nope. Gotta 

Todd: go. Yeah, I don’t get that either. It’s so bizarre. But I think is this is… When the kid, when they visit, the kid actually is in the Airstream While those two are out talking and he opens up a little curtain, which you would think that Ted would take a little more care in hiding his werewolf experiments when he knows that he’s just invited his sister and her son up to visit.

Not only does he have, like, little vials and things and a microscope, I mean, who knows what he’s doing with that, but he’s got this giant tome that he must have picked up from somewhere. I have no idea what occult shop or what kind of library’s rare collection he stole it from, but he’s got a really thick old book on werewolves, and I don’t even believe it’s really written in English.

It’s just… Oh, my God, I don’t know how this is helpful for him. 

Craig: He- well, yeah, it’s just scary pictures and- 

Todd: Yeah, but the kid reads it. 

Craig: I know. 

Todd: It’s like, okay, he takes in that information. 

Craig: I thought that part was funny because when the uncle, like, starts to walk into the Airstream, the kid panics and puts the bo- book back really quick and covers it back up.

And I thought, “Why would he do that? It’s not like it’s porn or something.” Yeah. Wouldn’t you be 

Todd: like, “

Craig: Oh” Like, like, “Hey, what’s this werewolf book?” You’re into werewolves? Yeah. Like or, “This is cool,” or whatever. But no, he really quick stashes it away. 

Todd: Exactly. 

Craig: Again, the movie doesn’t try to hide from us what’s going on.

What I don’t really understand is why, because again, I thought that the guy was calling to, like, say goodbye, like he was gonna kill himself. Uh-huh. But then he says, “I, I think maybe I need to be around family. Maybe that will help me. Can I come visit you?” And she’s like, “Sure. Come on down.” So then he’s there.

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: He parks his Airstream at the house. 

Todd: Uh-huh. And he’s just there. 

Craig: And then that’s pretty much the rest of the movie. It really is. Like, he’s just there. Now, we, we did skip a stupid part in the beginning where some dumb guy comes and tries to sell them, like- 

Todd: Uh … 

Craig: school curriculum or something and- 

Todd: Well, ostentatiously, but apparently he’s really there ’cause he’s, like, one of these people who jumps out in front of cars or something like that to try to get insurance money, you know, or try to strong arm you.

Yeah, he’s a 

Craig: con man. 

Todd: It’s a weird-ass con, though. What, do you wander up and down the street looking for a family that happens to have a dog? 

Craig: Right. 

Todd: I mean, I don’t know. It… This is a bit of a stretch, right? This guy… I mean, they’re also kind of out in the middle of nowhere. 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: I don’t think there are any neighbors or anything.

It’s not like he’s walking up and down the streets in a suburban neighborhood. He had to drive up to this house and I guess know that they had a dog and time it right so that they were out when the dog was there, and I don’t know. Anyway, the dog barks at him and leaps on him, and they pull the dog off and he’s like…

Clip: You better get ahold of a lawyer right away, lady, ’cause you’re gonna hear from mine too, sweet. Oh. 

You can talk to me. I’m a lawyer. Thor, sit and stay down. Did he bite you? Since you’re on foot, I’ll drive you to the hospital emergency room myself. In fact, why don’t I take you to my own family doctor? 

No, no, no, no.

Look, I, I got my own doctor 

All right. I’ve heard about enough flopsy. 

Who’s flopsy, Mom? 

A flopsy, Brett, is a con man who does things like throw himself in front of cars and pretend to get hit, or intentionally provoke people’s dogs and pretend to get bitten. 

Todd: Oh, this is- 

Craig: And this is our introduction to her, and I think it’s supposed to make her seem tough, but she doesn’t really have any character.

Like, she doesn’t really do anything. She’s not really- 

Todd: No. 

Craig: It bothered me that she wore the same clothes for, like, almost the whole movie. I 

Todd: didn’t 

Craig: notice that. Like, days went by, days went by. At least one day went by, and the next day she was still wearing the same clothes. Oh, my God. And then I was thinking that, and I was writing it in my notes, and I was like, “Craig, seriously, you wear the same clothes day to day.”

Who are you to 

Todd: talk? 

Craig: She’s just at, she’s just at home in her house in the country. Why does she need to change her clothes? I 

Todd: guess that’s true, but she’s a high-powered attorney in this, like, McMansion out there. You’d think that she’d change her clothes once or twice. 

Craig: I don’t know what is going on with her, right?

Todd: Hmm. 

Craig: They just live out there and he- the kid plays with the dog. I don’t know. The only reason I mentioned the guy, the, the con man guy, is because he comes back later. But what we get for probably the next 30 minutes at least is basically just Thor- 

Todd: Gr- growling … 

Craig: knowing something is wrong. Right. Like, gr- like, staring.

And again, like, saying it is gonna make it sound even probably more boring than you thought it was, but the dog actor I thought did a, a really good job. And, you know, they, they say never work with kids or animals or whatever, but I thought that the animals in this movie were good. 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: Maybe the best actors in the movie.

Todd: You might be right. 

Craig: But it’s, it’s a li- it’s a lot of the dog sniffing around and looking at the, the guy suspiciously and like- 

Todd: Peeing on his Airstream. 

Craig: See, the other… But the other thing that’s weird is when he goes and visits him at the Airstream, he’s really not reluctant at all. Like, he runs right up to him.

Like, this is somebody that he knows. Yeah. Somebody that the dog is familiar with. But then when the uncle comes to their house, then the dog starts getting progressively more and more skeptical, uh, or, or, or cautious around him. And I don’t really understand that, and I also don’t really understand what is going on with the uncle.

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: Because at first he just seems like cool, fun-loving uncle. And, like, as I understand werewolf stories, you know, they’re, yeah, they’ll, they’ll kill you when they’re wolfing out ’cause they’re a werewolf, but when they’re people, they’re just normal people. It seems to me like the uncle is getting progressively worse over the course of the movie, but I don’t really understand why.

Todd: Yeah. He’s, like, getting progressively more… I don’t know. He starts throwing side eye at the dog more. He was o- openly embracing the dog before. He was buddying up to it. He was encouraging it to be kind to him. And now- So it’s just like kinda just returning the side eye and the snarl a little bit. But the family doesn’t seem to notice this at all.

Craig: No. 

Todd: He’s not threatening the family at all. Again, like I said- But 

Craig: is he? 

Todd: I don’t know. I mean, his presence maybe. W- the dog, there was one scene, right, where he… I could not tell what was happening, but it’s nighttime and the dog hears some noise, and he goes out, and he goes into the woods. Doesn’t have to go far because just up there by the house, him as werewolf, Ted, is scratching at a tree, and he snarls at the dog, and the dog runs away.

Now, I guess in retrospect, was he restrained to the tree? 

Craig: Yeah, he chained himself. Yeah, the, he’s got, like, handcuffs with a long chain that his sister finds and thinks is, like, sex stuff and thinks that’s really funny. Like, that’s, like, that is weird. 

Todd: That whole scene was dumb. She’s like, “Oh, I…” She’s, like, ready to dismiss it, but he’s keeps being like, “No, give me that.

Oh, no, sorry, give me. No, it’s not what you think.” Why not just go along with her explanation? 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: Why not just be like- Yes … “Ah, you caught me. Ha ha ha. I’ll just take those and put them back away.” 

Craig: Uh-huh. 

Todd: He acts shady anyway. Oh, anyway. 

Craig: But yes, he has restrain- he has restrained himself out there, but now, again, here is something else I don’t understand.

Like, he and the dog are literally having a pissing contest. Like- … the dog pees on his house and is keeping an eye on him or whatever. Something else I don’t understand, though, is why wouldn’t… God, I can’t believe I’m gonna ask this question. It’s a dog. Why wouldn’t the dog just let him continue to go out into the forest and chain himself up out there?

Todd: Right. 

Craig: There comes a scene where the guy needs to go out for his nightly jog, which is what he tells them. Like, he goes out jogging all night. But he’s going out for his jog, which means that he’s going to chain himself to that tree, but the dog won’t let him. Yeah. And it keeps getting progressively and progressively later, and he’s getting more and more nervous.

Like, like, “I gotta go, I gotta go, I gotta go.” And eventually he kinda tries to just walk by the dog. Again, this goes on for far, far too long. Like- Uh-huh … a close-up of the dog’s eyes, a close-up of the man’s eyes. Oh, it’s painful. The dog’s eyes again. The man’s eyes again. The man’s feet. The dog’s eyes. The dog’s feet.

The man’s eyes. 

Todd: Sweat. 

Craig: It goes on for a, a long time. Uh-huh. But eventually he just walks past, but then the dog growls at him, and so he calls for his sister to call the dog in, which she does, and then he goes out into the forest, presumably chains himself to the tree. I’m gonna jump ahead just a second because something that bothered me is that he was in that Airstream, and he was freaking out because the sun was going down.

The dog wouldn’t let him pass, but eventually he gets out there before the sun goes down. Later in the movie We see him exit the Airstream to go into the forest, and it is full night- Yeah … and the moon is out. Did you notice that? 

Todd: Yeah. I didn’t get it because, well, there’s also that scene later where he comes in and as always in these movies, right, somebody’s watching a black and white horror movie on TV, and what did you know, it’s a werewolf movie.

And the boy’s watching, and he sits down to, next to him to watch it. 

Clip: It’s not funny. He’s turning into the Wolf Man. 

Sorry, Brit. It’s the full moon part. In the movies, the guy only turns into a werewolf during the full moon 

Well, that’s the way it works. When there’s a full moon, he turns into the werewolf.

Everybody knows that 

But why only the full moon? Why not any moon? 

Well, because that’s the way a werewolf works. And you have to shoot him with a silver bullet. I 

bet if you blew his head off with a shotgun, it would do quite 

nicely. Don’t you know anything about 

werewolves? I know you turn into one if you get bit by one.

But that full moon part, maybe there’s different kinds of werewolves, but it’s been my experience that any moon will do the trick, werewolf-wise. 

Todd: And the kid’s like, “Why do you know so much about werewolves?” And he’s like, “Oh, well, I’m- I’ve known a few in my day. Ha ha ha.” Like, what? Okay. But anyway- Yeah … with- 

Craig: He says, he says, “In my experience, any moon will do.”

Todd: Right. So- 

Craig: I don’t know what that means, but- 

Todd: Exactly. I’m trying to sort out… Like, this- if this scene is supposed to be giving us information, it’s doing a poor job because this scene ended and I wasn’t sh- I thought that what he was saying was werewolves had control. ‘Cause what’s the classic werewolf thing?

“Oh my God, it’s a full moon. I need to find… I need to get away from people. I need to chain myself up. I’m gonna go through this torturous process that I can’t control, but thank God it only happens when there’s a full moon.” So it sounds like he’s poo-pooing that whole idea. So are we to believe that, like, every night he just wolves out?

Craig: I… Yes, I think so. Or it 

just 

Todd: happens randomly? 

Craig: I think… My understanding was that it would be any time there was a moon. Now, I- I guess technically- There’s always a moon … you know, there’s the new moon. There’s a new moon, so maybe you get a little break. What if 

Todd: there’s cloud cover? Does that count? Like, I mean- 

Craig: That’s…

See, I don’t know. Yeah, the same question. I don’t know. But it, it ultimately doesn’t matter because the movie makes a very clear point of telling us that it’s the full moon the whole time this movie, so- 

Todd: I think that’s true every day. But the problem here is, like, we don’t know the stakes, right? We don’t know what the danger is.

Okay, can he control himself? Can he not? He seems to be doing a fine enough job. He’s been staying there for God knows how long, and he’s willingly put himself at his sister’s place. Right. And he’s- he’s- he’s not getting mean towards them. They’re not having any conflict with him. The dog and him are growling at each other and barking, but again, like, there’s nothing inherently dangerous or, or urgent about this situation at all.

So you’re just w- like you said, you’re just watching this for, like, an hour, and I’m thinking, “Well, when is the central conflict gonna arise? When is the big problem?” We have known since almost the very first beginning of the movie that this guy’s a fricking werewolf, and it’s never been hidden from us.

Craig: Right. 

Todd: So what’s gonna happen? I don’t know, but it’s been an hour, and there are only 20 minutes left in the movie. Yeah. What happens is, what, the, the dog gets a little too- Squ- oh, somebody’s found, somebody’s found hurt or injured, right? 

Craig: Well, before that, the night that the dog Thor kept him from going into the woods until late, I think, I guess he didn’t get to the tree in time because he comes back and he and Thor fight in the yard.

And then the next day, the brother, because Thor gets kind of hurt I think maybe, the brother tells her, “You need to be more careful about wild animals.” There’s also this whole sub… It’s not even really a subplot, it just seems kind of like it’s back in the background, that there were people who were killed where he was before, and she sees that on the news.

Todd: Hmm. 

Craig: So she’s kinda skeptical about that stuff too. I don’t know. Not 

Todd: really, though. Like, she doesn’t make, take any action based on that. Well, she does end up as an Airstream at some point, right? This might be a little later, ’cause she finds the book. 

Craig: Yeah. What it comes down to, I guess, is the, that Ted needs to get rid of…

God, I don’t remember. I don’t remember exactly how it happens. He just- The werewolf kills- 

Todd: The werewolf kills somebody … 

Craig: the scam guy. 

Todd: Oh, yeah, it’s the scam… Is it the scam guy? 

Craig: Yeah 

Todd: He does 

Craig: kill the skin graft ‘Cause the game, this, that- Hmm … that’s what it was. It’s ri- I, I think it’s right after the dog fights.

Yeah, the dog and the werewolf fight, and then the dog goes inside or whatever, and then the werewolf kills the con artist guy who was there to kill Thor. Oh my God. And it was so, it was almost… He’s there- Like a cartoon … in one hand he’s holding… Yeah. In one hand he’s holding a huge steak, and in the other hand he’s holding a huge meat cleaver, and he’s holding them both up in the air like, “Here doggy, doggy.”

Todd: This was such a joke. I thought, “Is this a ch- kids movie? What are we watching?” I just pictured Joe Pesci in this role with a j- comically large steak trying to coax a dog out with a meat cleaver in the other hand. Like, come on. 

Craig: And the werewolf kills, right, and the werewolf pops up behind him and kills him- 

Todd: Saves the dog

Craig: but- 

Todd: The, saves the dog. 

Craig: Yeah, I guess. 

Todd: So shouldn’t that change… You know what I mean? Like, shouldn’t that change the dynamic between him and the dog? That’s what I thought was gonna happen after this scene ended. 

Craig: I don’t know. 

Todd: But it doesn’t. It has no effect. 

Craig: No. And well, I mean, the dog then gets blamed maybe for killing the guy, ’cause the cops find the guy all ripped up in the road or something, and they think that Thor did it.

Todd: Why? 

Craig: That was interesting to me, too. Well, uh, just because he’s a dog that’s big enough, I think. 

Todd: And 

Craig: then- I think that c- that’s the only reason. I don’t know. 

Todd: But they’re surrounded by woods, you know? There could be coyotes. There could- 

Craig: True … 

Todd: I don’t know. 

Craig: They also don’t… Like, the sheriff comes, and he’s, like, this nice old sheriff.

He’s like the sheriff from Misery. And he comes and he’s like, “I, uh, I think maybe your dog ate that guy.” “If he, if he did, he was just doing it to protect you.” And I know you love him, but- 

Clip: You should get a new dog … 

Craig: yeah, once a dog gets a taste for human blood, they can be dangerous. So now she’s kind of, uh, eh, this is so weird to me too.

As soon as that happens, the… And then the sheriff’s like, “Okay, your dog may have killed somebody and may be super dangerous. Bye.” Like, 

Todd: Right. It, it’s not like a warrant or anything. It’s not like he comes in. Yeah. With the dog catchers, just like, “Oh, by the way.”

Craig: Yeah.

Todd: Oh. Oh, God. 

Craig: So, so then, so she goes inside, she goes inside and she gets Thor, and she immediately takes him outside to the Airstream. Now I don’t know what’s going on. I think that she thinks that the brother has, there’s something weird going on with him. Maybe he had something to do with the death, ’cause she asked the cop, she’s like, “Those people that were killed up by where her brother was, could that have been done by a person?”

And he’s like, “No, it had to be a wild animal.” So I don’t think she thinks her brother’s a werewolf yet, but she thinks that he may have something to do with it. So she takes the dog up there. 

Todd: Mm-hmm. 

Craig: Ted, like, slyly kind of antagonizes the dog by winking at it, I guess, and it attacks him. 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: And because it attacked her brother, she now realizes that the dog is dangerous, so she calls in, I don’t know, animal control, I guess, to come get the dog.

That scene was terrible. 

Todd: Oh, God. 

Craig: Ah. It reminded me a little bit of, I, for some reason it reminded me of the scene in ET when the scientists come in because I feel like those animal control people were in, like, full body suits. Oh, my. And it was like- It almost looked like they were, like, hazmat suits. 

Todd: I know.

Like, like I don’t think this is, you know, the thing. I don’t think this dog is gonna, like… Is this radioactive? What was that one we saw about the cat that was radioactive? Oh, we’re, I’m- I don’t know … back to, um, Uninvited. ‘Cause the cat was radioactive, and they had hazmat suits. But 

Craig: the scene is- Oh. Now I, I will say that I agree with this mother’s decision.

If, if this dog is dangerous, she has to get away from her kid, and I, I, that would be a terrible thing to have to do. But it’s still sad to see the dog, like, the dog’s fighting. It’s on those big sticks, you know, that they take dogs away with, and the kid is crying and trying to get to the dog. 

Todd: And the brother- 

Craig: Yeah.

He’s standing there smirking. Now here’s what I don’t understand. He’s just kind of been adversarial with the dog for no good reason, and after he gets rid of the dog, he goes and pees on its house But like, at, at one point they cross paths and he’s like, “Soon enough, old man,” or something like that. Yeah.

Like, he’s antagoni- he’s antagonistic towards the dog the whole time, and now the dog leaves and he’s standing there smiling like he’s metaphorically, you know, the wolf in the henhouse or whatever. Mm-hmm. Now that, but that’s what I don’t get Because it seems like the dog was just trying to protect the family.

If he was no threat to the family, what is the problem? 

Todd: Exactly. 

Craig: Like, I don’t… Why is he… And so now it appears, it appears to me that he is a threat to the family. Like, all of a sudden he’s shifty and sweaty and- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: aggressive and- 

Todd: But it doesn’t make sense because he’s not a wolf when he’s doing these things.

Craig: No. 

Todd: It’s jarring, it doesn’t make sense, and I’m thinking, “Just leave.” You asked to be at your sister’s house. If you’re gonna be a threat to the family, go away. Or if there’s a conflict between the sister and him, it never gets to this point where the sister is like, you know, really upset about him, but if it did, she could just ask him to go.

I, I just, I just didn’t get what the real problem was. But you’re right, she goes up to the Airstream because she’s worried about him, I guess, kind of breaks in. 

Craig: I don’t know what’s going on. 

Todd: And sees the book there and is like, “”, thinking he’s a werewolf. 

Craig: And right, and she follows him out into the woods, and meanwhile Brett, the little boy, has gone to the pound, like- 

Todd: Oh, God, just happens to be that night he breaks out of the r- It’s, again, like from a different movie.

Craig: I know. I told you, see? It’s very ’80s too. Mm-hmm. Like this is an ’80s movie. The kid, Dennis the Menace, rides his bike to the pound where he, you know, breaks in and let- gets the dog out, and the dog does a hero’s run- Yes … like through the city, down the highway, down the median of the highway. 

Todd: Stupid ass dog.

Cars going left and right. But here’s the thing, neither the dog nor the kid know that Mom’s in danger. 

Craig: No. The kid is just… No. 

Todd: He just happens to be breaking him out at this same night. 

Craig: I guess the dog knows there’s a werewolf there and that it’s dangerous, and he’s right bec- Again, this doesn’t make any sense.

So the mom follows, again, Ted. Before she went in there and explored it, Ted left the Airstream in full night. Mm-hmm. But he left the, as a human, and he went out into the woods. And so she follows him out there, and he’s like half undressed. He’s got his shirt off. He’s like, “Oh, you caught me in a embarrassing predicament,” or something, and then he starts monologuing at her.

Todd: Oh, 

Craig: makes no sense. And something about how like, “I thought family could help me. I thought that the love of family could help me, but it can’t, and I was gonna chain myself up, but you’re here, so why bother?” What? What? What are you talking about? I don’t understand at all. 

Todd: Any of this. 

Craig: I, I guess is, is the wolf in him is coming out slowly and, like…

I don’t know. I don’t get it. I 

Todd: mean, first of all, he’s been chaining himself to- all this whole time, so he should still continue to chain himself because presumably he’s felt the need to do that so that he’s not a problem for her. So the fact that she’s there doesn’t mean he doesn’t need to chain himself.

That’s stupid. 

Craig: In fact, why didn’t he just tell her? Like, if he’s- Yeah. Exactly. Uh, I mean, sure, it’ll be awkward at first, but like… “

Todd: You caught me, sis. I got another need for these handcuffs. It’s nothing sexual.” Yeah. “And can you just help me chain, help chain me to this thing for tonight, and I’ll explain everything in the morning?”

Craig: Right. “I’m a werewolf. My girlfriend got killed. I got turned into a werewolf. I have to chain myself to this tree so I don’t eat people.” 

Todd: This is where the movie should’ve been about a third of the way through. A third of the way through the movie Or half the way through the movie should be, “Oh my God, you’re a werewolf, but you’re also my brother.

How do we manage that? You need help, but how can I help you and keep you safe? But you’re killing…” You know what I mean? Like, it’s just dumb. And I suppose because this is all supposed to be through the dog’s eyes and stuff like that, all this, these secondary considerations about what do you do when your beloved brother is actually a werewolf are supposed to be secondary.

But because this movie hasn’t done a great job of making the dog the central character and presenting anything compelling in that direction, ultimately you’re left with, well, is the family in danger or are they not? Now I guess the family’s in danger because he’s elected not to chain himself to the tree.

Yeah. And what is this whole deal about I thought the love of family could save me? What, what does he mean by that? This is the first time we hear anything about this. If it had been different, if all somebody needed to do was, like, say, read a passage in this book, like- 

Craig: Yeah … 

Todd: werewolves, if they are with their family for more than 24 hours or something- Right

like, tell their family or the, a drop of blood from a close relative, you know, on a full moon or- Right, right … something, right? What was his plan? Just he thought just hanging around for a while would fix things? It- 

Craig: He doesn’t even hang out with them. 

Todd: Yeah. Good point. It’s a dumb thing to bring up in the last eight minutes of the film, and now he’s wolfing out in front of her and going to attack her.

Craig: And I guess that there is a director’s cut of this movie, and- 

Todd: I watched it … 

Craig: I, I, I can’t verify this. Did you? Mm-hmm. See, ’cause I, what I, I thought that what I read was that the director’s cut was that he just cut out big parts of this transformation ’cause he thought they looked so bad. 

Todd: Well, I saw some bad transform- I, I…

Maybe he cut out bigger chunks of it, but what I saw was one of those cheesy late ’90s, uh, morphing on his face. Is that what you saw? 

Craig: Yeah, yeah. I, I think maybe we saw… I think, uh, well, what I saw, I think, was the theatrical cut. I, I don’t know. It’s a little bit unfortunate because they’ve done so much with the practical up until now.

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: And then this feels like kind of a sloppy mix of practical and CGI, and it’s real- it’s, it’s early CGI, and it just doesn’t look very good. Mm. And I guess there, there’s a, a director’s commentary on the DVD. I didn’t listen to it, but I, I read some things from it, and he says that fans, and, and apparently this movie does have kind of a cult following.

He says fans have been complaining about that scene since, since the movie came out and, and he regrets it. Whatever. It’s a few seconds. Uh, y- I, I did see it and think, “Oh yeah, that doesn’t look very good,” but then I got over it. 

Todd: Maybe he just cut it short. Maybe it was only a few seconds, and in the theatrical release it was a little more involved.

But yeah, it’s very jarring. It looks like… It actually reminded me a lot of Sleepwalkers. Remember when we did Stephen King’s Sleepwalkers? 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: And, and those morphing effects on their face. And that ’90s morphing was really, really cool at the time, ’cause we’d never seen anything like it, but it looks very dated.

It’s sort of like, yeah, just things move while one thing fades into another in a way. It’s, doesn’t look natural at all. It’s pretty bad. Anyway… 

Craig: Yeah. And he chases her back to the house, and Thor runs down the highway and is running home, and the kid is following on his bicycle. I mean, it seems like they’re out in the middle of the, of nowhere-

but the kid can ride his bike- 

Todd: Very good point, 

Craig: actually … back and forth pretty quickly, so they must not be very far. And she gets back home and she gets a gun, and the, the werewolf comes through, you know, comes barreling through the window and chases her through the house. And she runs up to Brett’s room, the kid’s room, ’cause she doesn’t even know he’s gone.

And she gets up there, and then the, the wolf, like, gets in there with her, but Thor comes in and attacks him from behind and- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: then there’s a big fight with the werewolf and the dog, and they’re both beat up and bloody, and blood is literally- This was impressive … spraying on the walls- I liked it … and splattering everywhere.

Todd: I like the fight scene. You don’t often get to see a dog attacking a werewolf in a movie. It was really pretty good. 

Craig: It w- yeah, yeah. It was good. I think the wolf kinda throws Thor off of him, and then Brett comes running in, and the wolf grabs Brett by the throat and holds him up. 

Todd: Which looked so bad. It, well, I mean, it, it was supposed to be dramatic, but just this doesn’t seem like the kinda thing a werewolf would do.

You know? A werewolf claws, a werewolf bites. It doesn’t grab someone by the throat and lift them slowly off the floor like a vampire would do. 

Craig: Right. 

Todd: Like, like a fricking Darth Vader or something. It just, it just looked really comical. Is that when she appears behind and is like “Get off my kid, you son of a bitch,” and shoots him 

Craig: Or something like that, yeah.

Todd: Shoot and unloads the whole gun into him. And look, again, this is her brother. Shouldn’t there be some emotion here or something? 

Craig: There should be. There should be and there’s not. And, and he stands there and even, like, he gets shot a bunch of times and then there’s just a moment of quiet where they’re all just standing there.

And he, I think, you know, the movie is supposed to be telling us that we’re seeing the humanity in his eyes or something for a moment. Like, I think that he and she were maybe supposed to have a moment or something before Thor tackles him through the window, the second story window, and they both fall out.

There should be some catharsis here for the viewer, but there’s not because there is no connection or chemistry or familial feeling between these actors at all. Mm-hmm. Um, like you said, he could’ve been a grifter off the side of the road. Like, that’s… And, and they try, I think, a little bit to establish chemistry by constantly having him call her sis and her always calling him big bro and, like, hugging him around the shoulders.

Mm-mm. No. But they have zero chemistry. No. And 

Todd: maybe this is what he meant. Maybe this is what he meant when he was complaining about her acting, you know? Maybe he was just going… He really needed something from her for this scene, and he just wasn’t getting it, and he just threw his hands up in the air and was like, “All right.

Just blow him away with the gun and we’ll call it a day.” 

Craig: Well, did you read… I think I read somewhere that he- this was- he felt like this was the best he got out of her, that he, he just, he kind of pulled a Kubrick on her and just kind of made her do it over and over and over, take after take after take, and just kind of kept pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing until she really kind of got worked up.

Doesn’t that 

Todd: worked 

Craig: up to 

Todd: me. But 

Craig: I don’t know if it was worth it. Yeah, I don’t know if it was really worth it. But anyway, so then Thor and the werewolf both end up, you know, on, on the lawn. But Thor watches the wolf get up and go back into the woods. 

Todd: Why? 

Craig: Right, only so that the next morning we can watch bloody Thor trek through the woods to the tree where he finds naked and battered Ted And Ted just looks at him and says, “Finish it.”

And he does off screen. It cuts away, but presumably he does. And now, now we have a nice, you know, a nice scene- Oh my God … back home. 

Todd: Well, this doesn’t make any sense. You’re right. It’s mom, and Boy comes in and sits on her lap, and it’s the morning, and he says, “Is everything okay, Mom?” She’s like, “Yes, everything’s all right.”

I’m like, no, not everything is all right. You just killed your brother who’s a werewolf. Like, you’re just gonna start going about your day like nothing happened? Oh, what are you gonna… What, you’re putting the Airstream up for sale? I mean, what’s going on here? And the dog comes back in and, like, they pet it, and it, everything just fades out.

Craig: Well, first, first, when they’re having that very sweet moment, she’s petting Thor and she says, “You’re our hero, Thor.” And then Thor jumps up at her all werewolfed out, and it turns out to be a fake-out. It was just a dream It was just a dream Then they’re happy and then they’re all happy together 

Todd: I forgot about that fake out before that.

Yeah 

Craig: He’s all bandaged up, but… And I kinda liked that dog werewolf, even though you only saw it for a second. But yeah, and that’s the end. You know, I can only imagine if you haven’t seen the movie and you’ve just listened to us talk about it, that it doesn’t sound very appealing. I found it totally watchable.

Clip: Oh, 

Craig: boy. I’ve seen it twice now. If I were desperate, I might put it on again just to have in the background. I, uh, you know, of course, I, I like the dog aspect of it, and I don’t want to make it seem like, “Ooh, I just like it ’cause there’s a dog in it.” No, like I, I think that the animal work in the movie is, is well done.

But I really like the effects. I think the effects are really cool. 

Todd: I like the werewolf effects, yeah. 

Craig: Yeah. They’re really cool. And it is only an hour and 20 minutes long, so no, I don’t think it’s a great movie, but I do th- it’s a lot… Gosh, I say this so often. It’s a lot better than some of the things that I watch, and it’s fun to come across something that you hadn’t seen, and this was just one of those things for me.

It had people in it that I recognized, and I’d never seen it before, and the, the special effects were good, so my experience with it overall was positive. But I get, I get why some people would feel different. 

Todd: Well, it’s slick enough, you know? And I mean, there’s nothing particularly offensive about it. In fact, you know, it could be kind of a family movie in a way if it wasn’t for all the gore and the, all the sex in the beginning.

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: I mean, it’s watchable for the werewolf effects alone because honestly, oddly enough, you know, it’s not often you get to see a werewolf movie that is so bold to put its werewolf on screen for so long. I thought that was one of the redeeming qualities of Dog Soldiers is that we, you know, really got to see those werewolves up close and personal, from afar, from close up, o- for a l- they got a ton of screen time, and- 

Craig: Uh-huh

Todd: I appreciated that about it. And so I, I appreciated that about this movie too. Will I watch it again? No, because ultimately I think the story is just not at all compelling And none of it was really believable. The motivations of the actors, again, like I said, why is anything happening the way it’s happening?

But, you know, now that you’ve seen it once, you can turn your brain off and, uh, not pay attention to the story and just enjoy the werewolf effects, I guess. But I wouldn’t recommend watching it a second time. But I would not steer anyone away from it either. I’m just like you. I think it’s, I think it’s worth a watch once.

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