Longlegs (2024)

Episode 427, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast

Todd:  Hello, and welcome to another episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.

Craig: And I’m Craig.

And joining us here on the show for the, I don’t know, fourth, fifth time is our good friend Heather. Say hello to the people, Heather.

Heather:  Hi, everybody. I’m so happy to be back.

Todd:  It’s so great to have you here.

Craig:  We’re super excited to have you. Yeah. It’s always good to have you. I invited Heather because you and I decided to do this movie. Is this this is a request. Right? Or did you just decide you wanted to do it?

Todd:  Yeah. This was a request by several people, had put so we put it in our request pool. And then as our patrons always get to choose our request, we put it as part of a poll of, I think, three or four movies. And this one won out. So that’s why we’re doing it. Right. It’s high demand.

Craig:  Yes. We’re doing twenty twenty four’s long legs. And the reason that I asked Heather to join us last minute, like, I just texted her yesterday, yesterday. Like, we’re doing this. It’s because she saw it, like, a month ago and asked me about it and was excited to talk about it, and I hadn’t seen it. And I got around to watching it for this, and it made me think of her. And so I decided to, ask her to join us for the conversation. So, Heather, it’s been like a month since you first said something about it.  So what were you excited to talk about when you first saw it?

Heather:  When I saw the previews for it and I saw that Nic Cage was in it, I was intrigued because it felt like a totally different character than he’s ever played. We all know that Nic Cage well, I I enjoy him very much, but he is kind of a one note performer. Right? Like, it’s the same in most movies while enjoyable. This felt totally different, so I was really excited to see what it was going to be.

Craig:  Yeah. I don’t know if I would say that Nic Cage is one note. I think that he’s just wacky and, like, I don’t know. There’s always, like, a Nic caginess about him.

Heather:  Right. Right.

Todd:  A caginess. Poor guy. I think we’ve talked about this before, but I have no problem with the Nick Cage. I love the guy. I I watch most everything he’s in, and I I think more than anything, he is perfectly cast in everything he’s in because people kinda know what he does and, what his range is, and he never disappoints me in anything. Well, look. I mean, we’ve done what was that one, though? The Wicker Man? The Wicker Man remake. Yeah.  Not his fault. No. It’s just a silly, silly remake. You know, just a concept that didn’t fly. Not really he’s a bad actor, I think. So I was happy to do this.

Craig:  Me too. As a very, very amateur actor, I respect and appreciate actors who make bold choices, who go for it. Yes. And he always goes for it. Like, I and I respect that, and I appreciate it. Some does it come across as silly sometimes? Absolutely. Great. I would rather that than boring.

Todd:  For sure.

Craig:  I didn’t really know anything about this movie going in other than that he was in it, but I I didn’t know in what capacity or what role he was playing. And one of my favorite things about this movie, and I liked a lot of things about it, is that I felt like maybe more than ever, Nick Cage disappeared into this role.

Todd:  Mhmm.

Craig:  Now he he had a lot of help with he with makeup. Yeah. But if I hadn’t known if I had gone into this movie knowing nothing about it, I bet money I wouldn’t have said, hey. That’s Nic Cage. Right.

Todd:  Right. I wouldn’t have known. Yeah. Unrecognizable in this.

Heather:  Well, in in the filming itself, they they hide him. Do you know what I mean? Like, as we get into talking about it Yes. You rarely see a full face of him until closer to the end. So

Todd:  Right. That’s true, actually. And then when you do, he doesn’t look like Nic Cage.

Craig:  Right. It’s suitable to the character. Like, the character is intentionally masking Mhmm. Himself, which we’ll get to. I I feel like there is so much to talk about that we should get into it. The first thing that I would say is I was disappointed. I got about forty five minutes into it, and I was disappointed that I didn’t know more about it going into it. Because if I had, I would have asked Alan to watch it with me because it’s largely a crime procedural.  Yeah. Like, it’s mostly a crime procedure.

Heather:  Yeah. It has very silence of the lamb vibes that way, right, where you don’t see a lot of gore or horror necessarily. It’s just the the investigation itself.

Craig:  It’s an investigation. It’s, yeah, it’s a it’s an extended episode of, like, CSI or something and a good one, an interesting one. But I don’t know. There’s one of those I can’t remember which one of the maybe it is CSI, but there’s one of them that’s really dark. And Alan watches it. And every once in a while, I’ll catch an episode, and I’ll be like, I can’t believe you won’t watch movies with me when you’re watching this. Like, it’s Yeah. The it’s so dark, like, these dark scary serial killers.  And that’s what this is about. I mean, if we’re gonna get specific, it opens with a quote from a song. You’re slim and you’re weak. You’ve got the teeth of a hydra upon you. You’re dirty sweet. You’re my girl. And I couldn’t I was like, why does that sound familiar? I googled it. It’s from that song, get it on, get it on.  You know what I mean? Oh. Yeah. You know that song.

Todd:  Well, you’re slammed.

Craig:  That I think plays over the credits.

Todd:  Yes. You’re dirty, sweet, and you’re my girl. Oh, I get it. Yeah.

Clip:  Yeah. Yeah.

Todd:  You’re right.

Craig:  And then a station wagon pulls up to a snowy house and it all looks very seventies. It’s filmed in that aspect ratio that they filmed in in the seventies. And a little girl, like, goes outside to see who’s in the car, but she just sees somebody’s, like, humped in there. She hears something behind her, and I heard it, but I couldn’t hear what it was. It was only after I watched a YouTube video later. What she hears is

Clip:  cuckoo Mhmm.

Craig:  Really quietly behind her. And she turns around and she walks into her backyard. And in my notes, I said, there’s a creepy woman

Clip:  Yep. Who says There she is. The almost birthday girl. Oh, but it seems I wore my long legs today. What happens if I

Craig:  And that’s how it opens.

Todd:  Yeah. That’s like a typical seventies style opening. Right? What other couple of films have we done that open up with a loud music cue and then the time Cabin in the Woods references it Todd. Right? Just like bam. And it’s freeze frame and title. But I don’t know why. The movie doesn’t feel like it’s trying to be retro in any way. I don’t know.  I I mean, obviously, it’s a period piece.

Craig:  I thought that it was interesting the way that they anytime you’re seeing the flashbacks to presumably, like, the seventies, I guess, it is in that particular, like, TV screen aspect ratio.

Todd:  That’s true.

Craig:  And anytime it’s in their present, it’s in letterbox. Right. And they make a a point of, like, pointing that out. It starts, as I said before, like, in that TV ratio. And then with the opening credits, it slowly and slowly and slowly widens until it’s in Letterboxd, and then it’s in Letterboxd in the present day, which present day is only the nineties. Right. Yeah. I can only imagine that that choice was made for storytelling purposes, like

Todd:  To get cell phones out of it?

Craig:  Yeah. To get cell phones out of it, to get all of the technology out of it because you kind of need this to be an older school investigation. Like, we need to go through the stacks,

Clip:  and we need to, like

Craig:  like, look at the microfiche. Like, we can’t just have everything at our fingertips that would make it too easy.

Todd:  I miss that stuff so much. When when things required work.

Heather:  Right?

Clip:  Well, I

Craig:  mean, it was more of a pain it was more of a pain in the butt in the moment, but, like, it made for better montages.

Todd:  That’s right. You had always had to go to the library. Right. Now it’s just they sit at a computer and Google shit. It’s not nearly as captivating.

Heather:  I liked the continual reference to the nineties with president Clinton behind the desk. And every time we were in the office, it was like, oh, there’s Clinton again.

Todd:  That was funny.

Craig:  I don’t know if you guys saw it or not, but in the script, it was set one year before they decided to set it when they filmed it. Because if they had set it when it was scripted, George Bush still would have been the president, and the director didn’t want a great big picture of George Bush up in the background.

Clip:  So they

Craig:  bumped it up a year.

Todd:  The director is Osgood Perkins too. That was a surprise. I didn’t know.

Craig:  This is wild. Yeah. Do you know who he is?

Todd:  Yeah. He’s Anthony Perkins’ son.

Craig:  He’s Anthony Perkins’ son. Yeah. To read all of this, like, I had no idea. I knew nothing about this movie. I knew nothing about him. I looked him up. And the first thing that I recognized him from was Legally Blonde, Heather.

Heather:  Really?

Craig:  Yes. He was, the nerdy guy, her friend.

Heather:  Oh, you’re right.

Clip:  Yeah. I just looked up a picture. Wow.

Craig:  Yep. But he’s also apparently a filmmaker and, son of Anthony Perkins. And when I read that and I read quotes from him talking about he wrote this movie about family secrets.

Todd:  Mhmm.

Craig:  Like, all families have secrets. And, ultimately, that is at the core of this movie. I mean, it’s a mystery, and that’s the that’s what you find out. Like, that’s what we’re building towards. But families have secrets. And the secret in his family was that his dad was gay. Right. I can only imagine that that would be a traumatic thing.  You know, not not traumatic that your dad is gay, but that you’re all living with this secret. Like, that’s gotta be hard.

Heather:  Right.

Todd:  Well, and his mother was actually trying to keep it from them for a while. So, you know, it’s also just like the secret revealed. Right? That’s also, you know, like, oh my Todd. There’s been a secret for so long, and now as I’m an adult, I’m just now learning about this. Way to go, mom. I’m not sure how I feel about that. Right. You know? The skeletons in the closet coming out, and so that’s really a big focus of the plot of the movie too, I think.  And he also mentioned he took it after Ramsey murder, I think just a few days before she was murdered. She was murdered around Christmas, and I believe that’s still unsolved. Yeah. But it was a big scandal, and she had her parents had just given her a life size doll replica of her.

Craig:  Woah. Oh, I didn’t know or remember that.

Todd:  Yeah. So he kinda took those two ideas and just mashed it together. He said, you know, people gave him advice. Start from something interesting and and just go in crazy directions and see where it is. And so he’s like, I’m gonna go in this crazy direction from this idea of this doll mashed up with this family secret that my mom hid for me as I was growing up, and we’re just gonna go with it. And, that’s probably why the plot is so bizarre.

Craig:  It is bizarre, but I think that it’s very well plotted. That’s part of what kept me so into it is we’ve talked about a lot of things. We’ve already kind of revealed some secrets vaguely. But as you’re watching the movie, it seems, at first, to be very procedural. It’s divided into three parts. The first one is just called part one. And we’re introduced to our main character, agent Lee Harker and her partner, agent Fisk. And they’re going door to door.  They’re FBI, I guess. They’re going door to door looking for a serial killer. And while her partner is just knocking on doors, you know, have you seen this guy? She’s standing in the Todd, and she kind of hears things, and the camera perspective kind of swings around her. And she stares at this one house. And her partner comes back, and she’s like

Clip:  It’s that one.  What’s what one?  30 five 20 five. He’s in there.  When did you say that?  I don’t know. We should call it in.  What? No. Look. No. No. Because we’re not gonna call it a hunch on our first day out doing this.

Craig:  And he goes and knocks on the door and gets shot in the head Mhmm.

Todd:  Right away.

Craig:  Right in front of her. Mhmm. And she walks in the house.

Todd:  Oh, god.

Craig:  This is another one of those movies much like The Substance where I kind of had to suspend my disbelief. Like Yeah. Don’t be so stupid. Like, are you serious? Are you just gonna, like, walk you’re not gonna call anybody? Like Yeah. But whatever. She goes in there by herself, and the guy just surrenders. And that’s the end of that. But that sets up that she’s kind of psychic.  So another FBI guy, agent Carter, Blair Underwood, does, like, the Bill Murray Ghostbusters psychic test on her and determines determines that she’s kind of psychic. Yeah. And, like, they have a little talk about it, and he’s like, well, 50% psychic’s better than no psychic. I will stop talking and let you guys take it over, but I just wanna tell you that it drove me crazy that they never really talked about that again.

Todd:  You mean that incident or her psychicness?

Craig:  Well, that that she’s just kind of psychic. Like Mhmm.

Heather:  Yeah. It’s it’s like we’re in a world where it’s it is normal. Like, it that that felt like a whole big thing that should have been, discussed more.

Craig:  Maybe we can make a leap and say that it has something that has to do with what happened to her that we find out about later, but that’s never explained.

Heather:  Right.

Craig:  Like, it’s just established. Yeah. She’s kinda psyched.

Heather:  Right. No big deal.

Todd:  Yeah. You know, by the way, she, agent Lee Harker, is played by Micah Monroe, and we’ve talked about her before. She was in The Guest, which to date is still one of our most popular episodes, and that was a great movie.

Craig:  I liked that movie.

Todd:  She was also in It Follows, which came out in 2014 the same time as The Guest. So Yeah. I’m looking at the rest of her filmography here, and there just isn’t much that I have seen. It was a TV series called The Stranger in 2020 that she was a part of.

Craig:  Oh, yeah. I was watching this YouTube video. This guy was kind of analyzing things, and he very, very briefly mentioned that a lot of people who have watched this movie and commented on it said that her character is kind of autism coded.

Todd:  Oh.

Craig:  Not blatantly autistic, but it’s suggested. And I kind of see that. I feel like she’s making very distinctive choices in her acting, and and she’s kind of flat.

Todd:  And

Craig:  I think that that’s intentional. She’s kind of emotionally flat. Yeah. There’s a so I said I’d shut up, but you guys didn’t jump in. So she gets put on she gets put on this case where these families are getting murdered, entire families, mother, you know, mother, father, children. And it’s always the dad that does it, And it’s always within six days of the daughter’s birthday, which is always on the first fourteenth of any given month. And the only clue that they have are these letters that are left behind, but they’re coded and they can’t decode them, but they’re signed long legs. And there’s no forced entry.  Like, it doesn’t seem like anybody else came in there. So that’s the big mystery. The point I was trying to get to was she eventually goes to her partner’s house who has a daughter Yeah. Which it’s so obvious. Like, a a young daughter who mentions her birthday, asks Harker if she’ll come to the birthday party. Like, the it’s Yeah. Birthday is mentioned so many times in the beginning. Like, it’s so obvious.

Heather:  Well, and, specifically, the ninth birthday. It’s all the girls turning nine.

Craig:  Yes. Yeah. But that scene that scene with the daughter and Harker in the daughter’s room is a very awkward scene, and I could see how some people might think that Harker was autism Todd, because she seems very socially uncomfortable. And she’s that way through most of the movie.

Todd:  She feels like a traumatized person.

Heather:  Well, and she even says it because she takes Carter home that night, and he says, come inside to meet my family. And she says, do I have to? And he’s like, yep. So you can tell that she’s, resistant to social situations.

Craig:  Me too. Same.

Todd:  You can relate.

Craig:  I totally can relate.

Heather:  Well, after this is when she goes home

Craig:  Yeah.

Heather:  And she’s calls her mom, and we recognize that they have an interesting, possibly sort of strained relationship. But then she hears noises and goes to investigate what’s going on in her house.

Todd:  Yeah. This is another part where I had to suspend my disbelief because she’s sitting in her house. It’s quiet, and she’s alone, and it’s snowing outside or something. Is it snowing? In my head, it was snowing anyway.

Craig:  I mean, it’s very, you know, horror movie It’s dark. Outside.

Todd:  Right. But she’s got these big windows. So and she’s sitting in front of them with no shades drawn. And so, you know, I mean, you’re she’s pretty exposed in there. And, she sees something. And then we get this whole typical horror movie where she’s going out to investigate when she probably shouldn’t be. And then when she turns around, she sees a there’s a figure inside of her house

Clip:  Mhmm.

Todd:  Which, again, in my circumstance, I’d be like, alright. Call the cops or, oh, you know, get out of there. Do something.

Heather:  Right.

Todd:  She decides to go in just like she did before. Now are we supposed to believe that because she’s psychic, she has some kind of sixth sense to be able to avoid the danger that she’s walking into? Because she walks through her house not very thoroughly and when she gets to the room where she was just in she sees an envelope sitting on her desk and she instantly gets transfixed by the envelope and I was like girl turn around. Right. Clearly now you know somebody has been in your house. You were still there and now you’re just gonna sit down and engage with this envelope for a while. And this led to me doing the thing that I did the most throughout this movie, which I I continually found myself scanning the background.

Clip:  Yes. Yeah.

Todd:  And it’s so funny because, you know, she was in It Follows. I mean, that was another movie where after a while, you just continually are scanning the background just as much as the foreground. But we also talked about that in The Shining where there’s just these long lingering wide shots. Even in close-up, the shots are wide, where you can see lots of the background and things are slow and not much is being said if anything at all. And so your eyes just wander and you do kinda start to get a little nervous. And I think that one thing that this movie did for me more than anything else was it kept and maintained an intensity Mhmm. Where I felt like something bad was gonna happen very, very soon Mhmm. Most of the movie, and I was constantly watching the background so I wouldn’t be surprised by it.  I thought that was an accomplishment.

Craig:  When you were watching the background, did you see anything?

Heather:  That’s what I was just gonna say.

Todd:  So you’re gonna get to the the devil stuff. Occasionally, I

Craig:  did. Because you should have seen the devil. Because the devil is in the background a lot.

Todd:  Many times.

Craig:  I didn’t see it at all. It was it was only when I watched something that pointed it out that I saw it. But then when it was pointed out, I was like Yeah. Holy shit. Like, how did I miss that? Like, it was so obviously there in one scene in particular, but there are multiple times throughout where the devil is in the background. Spoiler alert, it’s the devil.

Todd:  Nothing less than the devil.

Heather:  I watched this with my boys the first time. And so they were the ones who caught the because the very first one you see is when she’s going through the house, and you just see, like, a silhouette of, like, a goat person. And it’s so cool and and simple.

Todd:  Mhmm.

Heather:  So it became their job for the whole movie to point out every time every time they saw it.

Todd:  Oh, wow. That’s Eagle eyes. It’s you know, and that’s that’s one of those things. Maybe it’s also a little subliminal for us

Clip:  Uh-huh.

Todd:  But also, like, once you find it once, then you’re gonna start looking for it more.

Heather:  For sure.

Todd:  And I remember, I think the first time I saw it, it was either in her house or at some point when she’s in the library doing some research, I saw it. Mhmm. And then I started looking for it everywhere. But even though I was looking for it, I missed most of it. Yeah. I also went online and figured out where they all were. There’s one toward the end where a door is closed, and for and for a brief moment, the it’s seen in the reflection of the door, and that one jumped out at me. Uh-huh.  But that was about it.

Craig:  You said she sees somebody in her house. When she comes back in, there’s nobody in there, but somebody has left an envelope, like, on her desk. And it says, do not open until January 14, and it has her name on it. But, of course, she and that’s when it cuts to part two. And part two and three have subtitles, which I thought was interesting. Part two is all of your things.

Heather:  Mhmm.

Todd:  I

Craig:  haven’t processed that. I don’t know what that means. But she o she opens it, and it’s a ninth birthday card that’s coded except for one phrase. That is a phrase from the book of Revelation, stood upon the sand of the sea, like but she uses that. It’s like a decoder ring. Like Yeah. She’s got you know, one phrase is decoded, so she can use that like a decoder ring. But at the end of the note I don’t remember if the end of the note or if she got another note or something, but it said, tell them how you got this, how it came into your head, and I’ll cut her hanging melt tits and bleed your mommy dead.  Was that the message?

Todd:  Yeah. I don’t even Yeah. I think that was the message. So clearly whoever left this is giving her the key is deliberately wants her

Clip:  Mhmm.

Todd:  To solve it.

Craig:  It also drove me crazy. She then goes to her boss and is like, hey, I decoded this. And he was like, how? And she’s like, I don’t know. I just figured it out.

Clip:  And that’s the end of the discussion.

Todd:  Why? Why doesn’t she want him to know?

Heather:  Which is probably Well,

Todd:  do you think it’s because it involves her mom?

Craig:  Well, she can’t tell.

Todd:  Maybe she intuitively knows her mom’s wrapped up in it somehow.

Craig:  I don’t think so. I just think that the note is a threat, and I think it’s a credible threat. This is a serial killer. This serial killer says you tell people how you figured this out. I’m gonna kill your mom.

Todd:  Mhmm. Yeah. I guess that’s true. It does raise the question, like, why did he decide to reveal you know, he he’s giving her a fighting chance of figuring out what’s going on and foiling his whole plot. And she is we learn very soon is intricately tied up in this to an extent that she doesn’t know yet.

Heather:  Well and we can’t I mean, without jumping to the end, I mean, he does want her to figure it out because it’s

Clip:  Yes.

Craig:  He does.

Heather:  It helps to release him. But, again, we you don’t put that together until you get to the end of it. Right. Because what’s next? Is this when they go to, the camera girl, the barn?

Craig:  She gets another weird phone call from her mom. She keeps getting these weird phone calls from her mom. For a minute, I thought, is her mom even real? Like Yeah.

Clip:  We’re never seeing her. Like, only she’s talking to her. This time, she’s like, will I see you on your birthday next week? Are you still saying your prayers? Our prayers protect us from the devil.

Todd:  Yeah. That’s a spot on interpretation, actually.

Heather:  It was.

Craig:  And then she’s researching satanic cult articles, and she looks at a book called the nine circles of hell. And she figures something out about symbols.

Heather:  Which is a nod to the zodiac killer.

Craig:  Yeah. Yes. And and then she says there’s just a repeat in all of her research, there’s a repeated reference to the fine time we had at the camera family farm. Heather, go. No.

Heather:  This is when Carter and her they go to the farm. Right? And it’s, like, pitch black outside, and they’re deciding to investigate right now. Mhmm. Right? So they go into this farm.

Craig:  Well, this was this is one of those cases. It was, you know, the the father kills the whole family. The only difference is in this case, the daughter Survived. Wasn’t there. Right. So she survived. Right. But but they go to the farm first.

Heather:  Right. But then they go upstairs. This really bothered me because it was pitch black outside when they arrived at the farm. When they go up to the the barn, attic, or whatever, there is light streaming through the windows, and it looked like daylight. And that bothered me. Anyway

Craig:  even notice.

Heather:  They, find a cross on the floor, which is a hatch, and they pull it open.

Craig:  Guys. Guys. Wait. Heather What? Todd. I need to I need to say something important to you.

Heather:  K.

Craig:  If you ever go somewhere and there’s something sealed with a crucifix on it, don’t open it, guys.

Todd:  Yeah. Don’t open it. We’ve learned that many times.

Craig:  Just just walk away. Just walk away. Yeah.

Heather:  We think it’s a person initially because of the shot of the camera. It’s coming from above. But then as they get closer, it’s a creepy ass doll.

Craig:  Yeah. Like a freaking Megan doll.

Heather:  Like, real creepy. Made.

Todd:  Yeah. It’s it’s big. And she takes it to the police station. Right? Yeah. And has them do an autopsy on the doll.

Craig:  It’s hilarious.

Todd:  They analyze the doll. And it turns out there’s a metal ball in its head.

Heather:  Yeah. Which the mortician’s calling the brain. I thought it was interesting that he went on to mention that, well, and I swear it was whispering to me about my ex wife, but I’m surely just tired. Mhmm. But he’s really complimentary of the doll. It was made by a craftsman. It’s human hair.

Todd:  Mhmm.

Heather:  So that that adds a weird element to this case in this moment.

Craig:  Heather, did you do that with Sadie? Did you, like, have a doll made of her?

Heather:  I did, and I keep it hidden.

Craig:  Cool. Maybe you’re joking. I don’t know. My mom, like, had a doll made of my niece, my sister. Really?

Todd:  You kidding me. Was it a full it wasn’t a life size, was it? Was it a school? No. No.

Craig:  It was just, like, an American girl

Heather:  Oh, wow.

Craig:  Style thing.

Todd:  Okay. That’s not so bad.

Craig:  Both the skin and the eye color, like, quickly discolored. So now it is just like this freakish thing. Oh my god. It is so funny.

Heather:  That’s amazing.

Clip:  Wow.

Heather:  No. I didn’t do that. There’s still time. Is there

Todd:  a metal ball in its head too? There is still time.

Craig:  The Harker is also constantly having these flashbacks Oh, yes. Of snakes? Yes. I what were the snakes all about?

Heather:  I think just more devil imagery because when we find out what’s actually going on. Yeah. But that happens when she’s in with the doll. Right? Because they’re talking about it. And because that orb is exposed, that’s when the we see lots of them in a row.

Todd:  He talks about opening it at one point, and then they just decide, no. Let’s not do that.

Heather:  They ask if they can, and he says, well, you can, but you don’t need to because it’s hollow.

Craig:  He says I can open it up, but I don’t think that we ever see that he does.

Heather:  Right.

Craig:  At that point, we see one get opened up later. Longlegs talks to Carrie Anne and says, I know you aren’t a little afraid of the dark because you are the dark. Mhmm. But I think that’s in, like, a flashback. Yep. Maybe that was when she was a kid. I don’t know. This is the point in the movie where we realize that this person, Long Legs, is an actual person who exists in the world because he drives around and he goes to a store, and he’s a weirdo.  Like, he goes into a convenience store and acts weird around the cashier, but she also recognizes him like he’s clearly a regular. He’s just a weird guy.

Clip:  Can I help you with anything else today? Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo. Cuckoo. I don’t know what that was supposed to be. What day is your birthday,

Heather:  Daddy, that gross guy is back again.

Craig:  Carrie Anne is the girl from the camera story Right. Who survived. They find out after the fact, when I say they, I mean the investigators find out that somebody had visited her and apparently it was Long Legs. And she had been catatonic before that, but she became lucid when he visited. They go and visit her, and then I feel like she reveals some things, but it’s all every revelation

Todd:  is just a mystery.

Craig:  It’s right. It’s just more mystery.

Heather:  Right. And did I translate this wrong? Because she’s been in a coma pretty much her she since her, whatever, ninth birthday. The doll is hidden and buried in the attic. And so I translated it as, as soon as the doll was out of the dark, she was no longer in the coma.

Craig:  Oh. That’s what I thought too.

Todd:  Oh, I didn’t even think about that.

Heather:  The well, the dolls are always covered until they get to the house, and then they get uncovered. And so it’s like because they’re out of the dark is when things can happen.

Craig:  That’s what I thought too.

Heather:  Okay.

Todd:  Why was her doll up in the barn

Heather:  Buried?

Craig:  Yeah. Under a crucifix.

Heather:  Who put

Todd:  it there? Do you guys know?

Heather:  No. Because the parents are dead.

Craig:  It was long legs. It had to have been long legs.

Heather:  He did it. Maybe. Yeah.

Todd:  And put a crucifix on it?

Craig:  Yeah.

Todd:  I guess. I mean, it couldn’t have been anybody else. It just

Clip:  makes sense when you know it had to be him.

Heather:  When you connect more with him later about maybe why he doesn’t wanna be a part of this anymore type of a thing.

Craig:  What it all comes down to is it’s all a very elaborate, but at the same time, pretty simple Oh. Plan.

Clip:  Mhmm.

Todd:  Please. And I think It’s convoluted and weird. I was very disappointed at the eventual revelation of what the plot what the scheme was.

Craig:  I think it’s pretty simple. I think it’s very much what’s that movie that we did What’s that movie that we did with our friend Jordan? Sinister.

Todd:  Mhmm.

Craig:  It’s just very much like that. Like

Todd:  It’s a little bit.

Craig:  There’s an evil entity that is preying on a particular group of people, in this case, families. In this one case, the daughter got away.

Todd:  Yeah.

Craig:  So I think that the whole thing with the doll had to be suspended because the daughter got away. Mhmm. And I think that the doll and the doll is still connected to the daughter. And putting her in that box with the crucifix on it shut that girl up. Mhmm.

Todd:  But she didn’t really get away. Right? She just, like he just sort of let her go. Am I wrong

Clip:  in this?

Craig:  I don’t remember. I feel like she just wasn’t there. I mean, yeah. I don’t remember.

Todd:  It’s not even her birthday yet when she meets up with long legs, but her mom okay. Okay. Never mind.

Craig:  We’re talking about different girls, I think.

Heather:  Yeah. This is the first one.

Craig:  The doll in the box is the camera girl. Yes. The girl in the institution. Correct.

Heather:  Yeah. Carrie Anne camera.

Todd:  But she’s also the girl that we saw in the beginning. Right? No. Story? No. You know, the the very beginning.

Craig:  No. I don’t think so. No. That’s That’s our main girl.

Todd:  Oh, very beginning is is our main girl. You’re right. You’re right.

Craig:  So Harker goes and sees this girl, and it’s weird. Mhmm. Like, they have a very weird conversation.

Todd:  It’s so bizarre.

Craig:  Carrie Anne says, I’ve seen you before. And Harker’s like, no. And she’s like, uh-huh. You’ve been in my house. And then I think it’s Carrie Anne who says, it’s like a long dream and so dark, a world of dark, like a nowhere between here and there, doing the limbo. So I think that she’s been trapped in the dark like her doll, and she only came out of it when they brought it out. And, yeah, seems like a coincidence that long legs went and visited her that day. But is it a coincidence? No.  It’s not. It’s all a plan.

Heather:  Right.

Craig:  But Carrie Anne then has, like, a flashback, and I’m just reading my notes. Her mom cuts herself and then stabs the doll and Todd. I don’t know. It’s all so weird.

Heather:  Well, to connect long legs

Craig:  I don’t wanna interrupt you either,

Clip:  but I just wanna say the man downstairs because that’s the part

Craig:  that’s coming up and I don’t understand. Well, he stairs because that’s the part that’s coming up and I don’t understand.

Heather:  Well, he signed in using Harker’s name to visit Carrie Anne. So now people are going, oh, wait. There must be a connection between the two of you, Longlegs.

Todd:  Right.

Heather:  That that’s how she just is really, you know, going, okay. I am more connected to this than I I thought I was. This is when she discovers that a police report was made.

Todd:  At the same day Right. The day of her birthday or the day before her birthday, her mother complained about a a stranger.

Craig:  The mom cuts herself and stabs the doll, and the dad then has the doll on his lap. Who is this? I don’t

Heather:  This is the flashback to Carrie.

Craig:  And the dad cuts off the head of a cow and then kills the preacher

Todd:  Mhmm.

Craig:  And the mom with an axe. Right. Okay. So we’re flashing back to to Carrie’s thing. Yep. When she’s talking to Harker, she says

Clip:  I was just waiting on him to come and get me. To come and tells me something’s to do for him. Or even better, to do something for the man down the stairs. And boy, I just wanna do whatsoever so he says me to do. Like if and he told me to take a jumpy out of window, I’d surely do. Just happy as peaches to watch the ground as it come up to meet me. Or if and he told me to kill you right right here in this room with my bare hand, I’d surely do. Just happy as peaches to watch your heavy heart go pop pop, and your eyes is to go all to blood.

Craig:  I feel like this is so important because it just goes to show that whatever entity, and we don’t really know yet, it’s the devil. Mhmm. But we don’t really know yet. Like, it has complete control over these girls. And we didn’t even they couldn’t figure out why the fathers were doing this. And at some point, Harker was like, there’s there’s gotta be an accomplice. There’s gotta be an accomplice. And she’s like, it’s it’s gotta be that somebody that would nobody would ever suspect, maybe a child.

Clip:  Well, it is the child. Mhmm.

Craig:  It’s actually just the devil, but the child helps.

Todd:  Right. Yeah. Not convoluted at all, Craig. Not convoluted at all.

Craig:  Heather’s got it. Heather’s quite smart.

Heather:  I don’t know if I do. Because what’s next? Is this when he’s on the side of the road?

Craig:  Oh, Todd. I don’t know. It doesn’t matter.

Todd:  Is this when he sees her she goes to see her mom?

Heather:  Yeah. She goes to see her mom.

Craig:  Yes. You guys, did you recognize her?

Heather:  Yes. I know.

Clip:  So a mom?

Craig:  Yeah. She’s, like, our age.

Heather:  Yeah. She was an urban

Clip:  legend.

Todd:  How disappointing.

Craig:  Urban legend. She in mister Holland’s opus, she was, like, a young high school student. You guys,

Todd:  we are

Craig:  so old.

Heather:  I saw that in the movie theaters in eighth grade.

Craig:  Alicia Witt. She was in a lot of things, and I really enjoyed her in the nineties.

Heather:  Yep. Okay. So after she visits Carrie Anne, she goes home to visit her mom, and she’s talking to her mom there. We see that her mom is an absolute hoarder, doesn’t seem to be in the best of health. She says she was a nurse for a few years. She starts she brings up her ninth birthday. She’s like, do you remember my ninth birthday? And her mom just flat out says, nope. And she’s like, well, that’s weird.  Right? Like, why?

Todd:  Mhmm. Mhmm.

Craig:  She looks around in her mom’s house, and she sees a roach come out from a door

Heather:  Right.

Craig:  That she can’t open. Yes. It’s locked and she can’t open it. When that happens, then she starts having these weird flashbacks.

Heather:  Right.

Craig:  And I don’t remember who says this to her, but I have in Todd, somebody says, you’re not a child because you were allowed to live. I think it’s her mother.

Heather:  Yeah. I think it is.

Craig:  It’s all in your room. And then she goes and looks through her room, and that’s when she finds a picture of Long Legs that she Todd. And long legs sings this weird song.

Clip:  Let me in now and it can be nice.

Craig:  And we could just stop talking about the movie right now because, like, that when I heard him in his creepy, creepy ass makeup sing that, I was like, oh, no. Oh, no. No. No. No. I’m done. I don’t know what else is gonna happen in this movie, but I don’t

Clip:  wanna see it. Oh,

Heather:  yeah. It’s terrifying. He he plays a terrifying villain. But, yeah, she then sees the photo. She recognizes that it’s Long Legs, and so she takes the photo and turns it in, which then leads to his arrest. Finally.

Todd:  Right. And then they get him interviewed.

Craig:  No. Yeah. I I’m I’m going off script now because I think that we should just talk about the end and I they do get him. Like, now she has a picture of him and immediately they’re able to pick him up. Mhmm. Like, he goes to the bus stop like maybe he can get away but no, they they pick him up. You know, he is who he is and he kinda doesn’t really deny anything. They put him in a room with her.  Yeah. And she just talks to him and then that’s when it turns out that this was all just a long game about her.

Clip:  Right.

Todd:  Right. Yeah. It’s so I’m sorry, man. This is so convoluted.

Heather:  I mean, it is in the fact that he’s

Todd:  Kills himself.

Heather:  He well, he does. He smashes his face for which that’s a that’s a way to go. You know what I’m saying? Like, boy.

Craig:  But but but the revelations are so important. But yeah. Yeah. He does. He kills himself. And I wasn’t surprised by that. Really, I I saw it coming, but it wasn’t that. It was her stone faced sitting across the table from him while he just lays out to

Heather:  her Everything.

Craig:  Yeah. This was all about you. Yeah. Mhmm. That blew me away. And I should have seen it coming. It seems once the revelations are made, it’s like, oh, obviously. But in watching the movie, I I didn’t feel that way.  I didn’t see things coming.

Heather:  I didn’t either. The first time I saw it, I was I was surprised with where it is and who the accomplice is eventually. Like, I I I was surprised. So what I think is interesting is that he himself is not a killer. He No. Has never killed anybody. He has some sort of agreement with the devil.

Craig:  Mhmm.

Heather:  And in order to keep Lee alive, because he came to their house, the mom had to agree Todd, one, he’s he’s the man in the basement, the guy downstairs. He lives under their house.

Craig:  Yeah. He’s been living down there, her, since she was nine years old.

Heather:  Yeah. Which that’s terrifying.

Craig:  Crazy.

Heather:  And then he makes these dolls of these girls, and the mom dresses up like a nun. She dresses up as a nun and delivers them to houses. They match the daughters that live there.

Craig:  And the metal balls inside the dolls are satanic Yeah. And possess the family.

Heather:  It causes that that

Todd:  It’s got a little bit of phantasm in there.

Heather:  But, yeah, it causes the

Craig:  I love it.

Todd:  Oh my god.

Craig:  I fucking love it. I think it is so creative and interesting and good from a storytelling perspective. I love it. I love it.

Todd:  It’s creative. It’s certainly creative that this man is a magical doll maker.

Craig:  He’s not even a magical doll maker. He’s not even he just makes dolls. He just makes dolls.

Todd:  He makes the dolls and abuse them with the magic of Satan.

Craig:  Yeah. The ball.

Todd:  Then they have to be delivered to these girls. I don’t know how they’re selected, but they’re at least their birthdays are on the fourteenth, and it’s something about nine days before. It all makes this, like, diamond pattern if you, like, make a grid of the dates and the months, and she figures this out. And as long as he’s able to deliver these dolls, which then release Satan from these metal balls and make the father kill the whole family, and he completes this whole pattern over time, then it brings the devil to Earth?

Craig:  I don’t know.

Heather:  I I think he’s doing it because he’s trying to stay alive. Do you know what I I think it’s his bidding, and so he gets somebody to do it for him, and it’s all, like, a big cycle of you gotta choose this or your death.

Craig:  I Yes.

Heather:  I think.

Todd:  I didn’t get that.

Heather:  Really? Okay.

Craig:  I think so too. Why? No. I I know. I I I think that he is doing the devil’s work for the same reason that the mom is for some reason. You know, like, either you’ll die and go to hell or you’re I’ll take your kid or whatever it is. Right. There’s always a bargain, you know. When it comes to stories about the devil, there’s always a bargain.

Todd:  There’s usually a hail Satan guy who just, like, wants the devil to be back on Earth or he’s worships the devil and so he ushers his return and so Yeah.

Craig:  He could just be like a Renfield.

Heather:  Right. Sure. Right.

Todd:  Yeah. So he’s got these metal balls that have Satan in him. So he’s not magic. He’s just putting these metal satanic balls inside the dolls. Where

Craig:  do these balls come from? That’s what I the devil.

Todd:  How was Satan in the balls?

Craig:  Todd, like, you don’t The devil just delivered

Todd:  a bunch of balls to him and said follow this Why not? I’m gonna be. Or or or I mean, why not? Sure. I mean, you can make a story about whatever you want. I just think it’s really odd and convoluted. That’s why.

Craig:  I bet the devil has a ball maker. He’s got a doll maker. Why wouldn’t he have a ball maker? Like like, here’s my essence, put this in a ball and, like, the ball maker makes it and then he sends it to the doll maker and the doll maker, like

Todd:  Maybe there can be a prequel to this, like, something like Great Balls of Fire or something where we learn about the origin story of balls. Jesus. I mean, it just opens up a whole giant question that’s never answered, which is why is this the thing? Where did these balls come from? Why are the balls satanic?

Craig:  Honestly, I like that about this movie. I don’t need every question answered. Like, I I’m just I’m just willing to go along with it.

Heather:  Well, and just like the devil can possess anybody or any object or anything.

Craig:  I mean,

Heather:  why not? He can possess little Why not? Metal orbs.

Todd:  Yeah. Why not some metal balls that need to be put into the heads of dolls and delivered to girls on their fourteenth birthday to follow a pattern on the calendar? Why not? So their fathers will kill them all.

Craig:  As it turns out, she’s one of these girls, and I kind of figured it out. Like, when she said, it must be somebody who’s totally innocent that nobody would ever, you know, expect like a child. I was like, okay. Like, that’s a clue. Doesn’t it turn out that whatever possesses these people possesses the young girl? Right?

Heather:  No. No. She she dies.

Todd:  The young girl gets up getting killed. That’s the father kills the whole family.

Heather:  It’s just it just brings, like, a dark entity Todd the whole house, and the dad ends

Todd:  up committing familicide. Yeah. And then he delivers another doll. And this is done enough times, and it brings the devil. Not convoluted at all.

Craig:  Okay. The reason that I was confused, I guess, is because the doll that they put in there is connected to the girl. Right.

Todd:  Because it’s a birthday present.

Craig:  But it’s more than that that it’s just a birthday present. At the end, somebody shoots the doll and a black mist comes out of her head. Right. And a black mist comes out of the girl’s head too. So Really?

Heather:  So I took that at the at the end. So Ruth has a doll of Lee, and that that was the bargain she made. You know, don’t take my daughter. I will help you.

Todd:  Spare my daughter.

Heather:  A doll of her. And so that’s why she’s clairvoyant. That’s why she’s psychic because the devil’s been in her the whole time. But it doesn’t do it doesn’t have the same effect because the mom is now carrying out the real devil’s work by delivering the dolls to these other families. That way her daughter is spared.

Craig:  Right. Okay. Alright. Just to be clear, at the devil’s behest, Harker’s mother Todd save her own daughter is delivering the dolls that long legs makes and puts these orbs into into these families. The dolls, the orb in their brain or whatever, somehow possesses all of them or just the father

Heather:  Or just the dad.

Craig:  And leads to those murders. Mhmm.

Todd:  Leads them to kill them all.

Craig:  Okay.

Heather:  That’s it.

Todd:  Perfectly not convoluted at all.

Heather:  Well It’s

Todd:  just very simple and straightforward. I’m being facetious, guys.

Heather:  I know. No. And we

Craig:  and and, like and and we get we get the backstory. We get the backstory. Like, this was supposed to happen to Harker and her family, but her mother made a deal. I know, Heather, you’ve already alluded to that. I’m sorry. Her mother made a deal so that it wouldn’t happen to her. Mhmm.

Todd:  Yeah. The deal was she would deliver the dolls to all the girls and do his work for him. Because long legs, he’s creepy. I mean, you know, this guy shows up at your door with a doll. You know? It’s it’s not a good plan.

Heather:  Right.

Todd:  You need a nun. Right. Some trustworthy stranger to show up and deliver the dolls. Right. So it should have been part of the devil’s plan all along, really. But,

Heather:  Lee goes with another agent to her mom’s house because at this point, she’s connecting that long legs maybe was in her basement. I can’t remember why they all go there. But the mom shoots the agent, which is when we know all of a sudden that she’s the bad guy. And then the she has the doll of Lee. And, yeah, you’re right, Craig. She shoots the doll, and it it destroys the orb, which we can then go, okay. It’s destroyed the devil. The black mist comes out of Lee’s head, which means she’s no longer possessed.  And then she gets a warning to go to Carter’s house for the birthday party.

Clip:  Mhmm.

Heather:  And she notices that her mom’s car is gone.

Todd:  Yeah. This was intense.

Clip:  Yeah. Mhmm.

Todd:  Because now you now you know beyond a shadow of a doubt what’s happening, and that’s cool.

Heather:  It was, except the end really annoyed me. So they get to the house. The Carter’s acting weird. She walks in. She sees the girl sitting next to a doll. She sees her mom in a nun outfit sitting in the room. And, you know, mom, you don’t have to do this, and I I have to. I I am going to protect you.  And then, of course, the dad goes into the kitchen to cut the cake. He comes out with a knife.

Craig:  He clearly killed the mom.

Heather:  Right. Killed the mom in the kitchen. Lee has to she shoots him. Right?

Craig:  Yeah. And her mom.

Heather:  And her mom, who also turns like super demon by the end before she’s shot. Very, very quickly, she she glances, looks like a demon. But I if Lee is connecting all this, why the hell didn’t she just shoot the doll?

Craig:  I don’t know.

Heather:  Because then it would be gone. Everything will be done. There will be no more you know what I mean?

Craig:  I don’t know. The very last scene is of Nicolas Cage as long legs singing happy birthday and laughing.

Clip:  Yeah.

Craig:  And then saying,

Clip:  hell, Satan. Yeah.

Craig:  And smooching to the camera in the end.

Heather:  Really? Yeah.

Craig:  I don’t know. I really liked this movie. It reminded me Heather, you already mentioned Silence of the Lambs. It definitely reminded me of that. Uh-huh. Todd, we’ve done Exorcist three, and it reminded me a lot of that.

Todd:  It was similar to that. Honestly, it reminded me a lot of a lot of giallo movies we do.

Craig:  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Todd:  And I was watching this thinking, you know what? If this were an Italian production, Craig would have nothing but

Clip:  what is this? What’s going on? I don’t understand.

Todd:  How is this happening? Blah blah blah blah blah. But because it’s an American director and directed by Osgoode Porkas, you love it. You love it. It’s different. That’s different. Todd straightforward and simple, and I just loved it.

Craig:  You’re right. I’m not gonna I’m not gonna deny it. It it also it it also reminds me of a movie that I don’t think a lot of people have seen, the Seventh Sign. I don’t know what year it came out, but it stars Demi Moore, and it’s very similar. And if you have watched this movie and liked it, I think that you would really like that movie. Plus, I’m just on a big Demi Moore kick. So you guys, she won the Critics Choice Award for best actress Todd.

Heather:  Really?

Craig:  Yes, she did. She is right in line to win best actress for the Oscar.

Heather:  That’s awesome.

Craig:  On fire. I’m excited.

Heather:  I haven’t watched it yet. I need to.

Craig:  Well, this was super fun. Do we have anything more to say about the movie?

Heather:  I mean, overall, I I really liked it. I thought it was creepy throughout. I thought it was it just gave a sense of dread throughout Performances, I thought were great. Yes. Talking through the story, it’s a little like, why? I don’t know. But ultimately, I Right. I thought it was a spooky demon movie. And when you’ve got demon or the devil involved, it doesn’t there are no rules.  You know? Like, he can do whatever he wants. So

Todd:  Yep. I agree with you. And, you know, I also agree that I think the big accomplishment with this movie more so than the convoluted plot that I don’t think made a lot of sense is that it created and sustained this atmosphere Yeah. That had me creeped out the whole time. I got a sense that maybe somewhere deep down in there people could decode this in different ways. Maybe there is a correct way to put this puzzle together and I’m not seeing it or maybe it’s just not intended to be that way. All that is fine. It doesn’t make it a bad movie, but I am going to remember this and Craig’s thoughts about this movie the next time we pull up some Lucio Fulci film or some Dario Argento giallo that he complains about and says, oh, this is so convoluted.  Does it make sense? Who is this and why and what? And this is devil possessed balls and something about the dates and then she just happens to find this and blah blah blah blah blah. And I say, you know, that’s not the point of the movie. The point of the movie is the style and the atmosphere and you go, well, I

Clip:  don’t know. I just don’t like it.

Todd:  I’m just gonna remember that.

Craig:  Listen, I have to respectfully disagree.

Clip:  I have to respectfully

Craig:  disagree. I understand why you like those movies and I like them too. I really do. But when you put everything together piece by piece, this narrative is pretty linear. We don’t know at the beginning that the whole movie is about this woman, but it is.

Todd:  Mhmm.

Craig:  And when you put the whole narrative together, it follows a logical narrative. I’m not saying that I think that that’s necessary. Like, I don’t care. It’s a horror movie. I don’t care if there’s a logical narrative, but this one does. I know I alluded to it before, but that’s a lot of what I enjoyed about it. Like, it was interesting throughout and it just kept layering and layering and layering new things on that I hadn’t thought about.

Todd:  Well, I could say the exact same thing about the house on the cemetery and I’m just gonna leave it there.

Craig:  Oh, my Todd. Todd, come on.

Todd:  Don’t make me don’t make me sit down.

Craig:  Todd don’t sit me down about quality and talk about the house of the cemetery and this movie. That movie, like, I appreciate it. I do. I appreciate it, but it was kinda thrilling.

Todd:  No. You don’t. You hated that movie.

Craig:  It was fine.

Todd:  You hated that

Craig:  movie. It was fine. But a movie like

Todd:  There’s no revisionist history going on here. We have the tapes.

Craig:  A movie like this is carefully crafted. And not that that one wasn’t. Come on. I’m not I don’t wanna be a dick. I’m sure the people behind that movie loved it. Whatever. But this feels like it was carefully crafted. And I don’t think it’s gonna be for everybody.  It’s not gonna be for everybody. But I could have watched it with Alan. Again, I know I’m doubling back but if you’re a horror lover and your partner, whatever, friends, whoever are not, I think that this movie could appeal to anybody who likes those crime procedurals.

Todd:  Mhmm.

Craig:  Because ultimately, that’s what it is. It just happens to be that the culprit is the devil. Right. But beyond that, it’s a crime procedural.

Todd:  Well, and these devil you know, the devil is the is the reason movies all have a similar feel to them. Right? And it’s definitely is pretty thick in that. I was also thinking of The Sentinel, for example. Any one of these just in the style and

Heather:  Well, and the ending is I would along with, like, referring to what you just said, Todd, about the the devil type movies is the ending is grim. It’s bleak. People are dead. We don’t know what happens with her.

Todd:  Yeah.

Heather:  She’s got this girl. I mean, it’s it’s it’s not a happy ending. It’s just over.

Todd:  Right. Yeah. Well, Heather, I just wanna thank you so much for joining us. It’s always lovely to have you on here. So much fun, and I know we’re gonna have you on here again too. Some of my favorite episodes that we’ve done Aw. Were with you, and I I still think about, killer clowns. Oh, so good.  Time that was.

Heather:  So good.

Todd:  Go back and listen to that one. It was so much fun. Those of you listeners and our patrons, we appreciate you guys too. Thank you so much for bringing this movie up and for voting on it. If you would like to, have some influence over the show like our patrons, go to patreon.com/chainsawpodcast. Consider being part of the club. You get first dibs on all of our shows. You get the behind the scenes footage, if you will, the complete unedited phone calls of our talk of which this one’s gonna be another interesting one for those of you patrons out there.  And, lots of minisodes and, mini reviews and all kinds of things. We even have a book club back there, and we’re doing more than Christopher Pike now on that book club. So, come check it out if any of this interests you. Patreon.com/chainsawpodcast. Also, you can just go to our website. Leave us feedback anywhere we are. Just Google Two Guys in a Chainsaw podcast. Find our Facebook page and all of our social media out there.  We love hearing from you guys, and we are anxious to hear what the next movie is you want us to do. Until that time, I’m Todd. I’m Craig.

Heather:  And I’m Heather.

Todd:  With two guys, a gal, and a chainsaw.