Night of the Demons (1988)

Episode 99, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast

Todd:  Hello, and welcome to another episode of 2 Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd, and I’m Craig. Craig, we’re on week 2 of our, October horror festival. It is it is Halloween and, today we picked a film that, takes place during Halloween night. It is called Night of the Demons from 1988. Oh, man. This movie. I, remember going to the video store and seeing the poster for this film. It graced the horror section of many a video store for, I I feel like, decades. I feel like well into the nineties. Even though this movie is from 1988, you could see this this poster of, of Angela done up as a demon that just looks like scary as crap. It looks like the kind of thing you shouldn’t post where children are gonna be walking through. It just doesn’t. It it it sells this movie, and it Todd this movie for me. And even though, you know, I spent at least a decade or 2 looking at this poster and thinking, oh, my gosh, it must be the scariest movie in the world, When I, I never saw it until high school, I believe, when I was with some friends on Stupid Movie Night. And, it seemed to be very appropriate for stupid movie night because Mhmm. This movie’s really dumb. Yeah. It it’s got a huge cult following. It really does, and I guess, you know, it was made for, like, about a $1,000,000, and it and it grossed, like, 3,000,000. Didn’t even get a wide theatrical release. It was just released, like, in Detroit and a couple theaters, but especially history has been kind to it, I suppose. I’m not really sure why, except for the fact that this is, like, the quintessential eighties horror film. Like, take every cliche, take every thing about an eighties horror film and distill it Todd, and you basically get this movie. Am am I right about this?

Craig:  Yeah. We were talking about we’re brainstorming movies we wanted to do for the Halloween season because I know that you much like me, this is like my favorite time of the year. It’s when we have free

Todd:  Oh, Oh, please don’t tell me you saw this with Alan.

Craig:  Oh, no. No. In fact, I was I was watching it in my living room on my computer, as I do, and he walked through several times and he was like, what are you watching?

Todd:  And I

Craig:  was like, I know right? You recommended this one and you said that, it had a fond place in your heart. And I, I had seen it too. Like you, I don’t think I really saw it until I was an adult. I don’t know how I got by without seeing it until then, but I had kind of fond memories of it too. And, so I sat down to watch it again and I was watching it and I was like, my Todd this is awful. I, and I, I’m, I’m reluctant. I’m hesitant to say that because I, I, it does have a huge cult following and I know that there are people out there who love this movie and I think I get why. I mean, it’s super campy and silly and it does have, you know, some good effects and stuff like that, but I can only imagine that part of the reason that people like it so much is because of how bad it is. Like, the acting is, oh, my gosh. It’s the worst.

Todd:  Like, every single person in this movie is, like, pulled straight out of community theater.

Craig:  Oh my gosh. It’s so bad. And it’s this group of probably 30 year olds who are supposed to be playing high school kids who just, they’re just a bunch of jerks and they all end up in this house and then it’s they’re just so stupid and and I guess it’s at least kind of fun to watch them all get picked off. And there are 10

Todd:  of them, man. 10.

Craig:  Oh, I know. Way too many. So many. And, like, I wrote down before I even started, I went to IMDB and I wrote down all of their names and all the actors who played them all and I’m like, why are there so many of them? Like I’m never going to be able to keep track of all these people. And so as I’m watching, I’m trying to pay attention to their names and I’m writing down, okay, Roger’s the black guy. Okay, Max is the guy in the doctor’s costume. Like I really need to keep track of these. It doesn’t matter. They’re just a bunch of assholes that get together and get possessed and the end. Yeah.

Todd:  So true. Bunch of assholes. You know, we do have at least one guy who is, who is who’s familiar to us. He’s a familiar asshole. Right?

Craig:  Jay. Yeah.

Todd:  Yeah. He he’s the guy who played

Craig:  Was Kurt Kelly? Todd. Oh, no. You’re talking about Stooge. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. There’s another one that I remember too. Go ahead.

Todd:  Well, you go yeah. Stooge was, was also in Sorority Babes in the slimeball bowl o rama.

Craig:  Yes. Yes. I do remember him, and he was funny. The guy that I was talking about was, the guy that plays Jay, who is, like the jockey jerky one. And he’s played by Lance Fenton and he was one of the mean jocks who got killed in Heathers. So I I remember him. And and, of course, obviously, Linnea Quigley, who plays Suzanne. We’ve seen we probably talked about what, like, 10 movies that she’s been in. Of course. Like, she’s been in a 1000000 horror movies especially in the eighties and she’s fun to watch in this movie. In fact, you know, when people talk about this movie they talk about Angela. Angela is the pretty much kind of the main girl I guess. She’s supposed to be this weird girl who’s hosting this Halloween party, and everybody thinks she’s super weird, but they think that Halloween is right up her alley so they’re gonna go to her party. And she’s played by Emilia Kincaid, and she gets all the glory in this movie. And I think that maybe part of that is because she reprised her role in both of the sequels, so, she was kind of a constant for these movies. But really, I think Linnea Quigley deserves the kudos for this movie. She’s funny and she’s I don’t know if scary is the right word, but she’s the shining star of the movie to me. Angela’s all, she’s great, whatever. You know, she’s got a cool look, she, you know, in her black wedding dress and, you know, when she finally ends up demoning out, you know, that’s pretty cool or whatever. But really, it’s Linea Quigley, Suzanne, who I think, is the star of the show.

Todd:  Yeah. For many reasons. Yeah. Linea Quigley, bless her heart. She her acting’s terrible too. It always is.

Craig:  Oh, sure.

Todd:  Yeah. But I don’t know why. She’s just kind of fun to watch anyway. Maybe because she doesn’t give a crap. Like, she plays she plays all these characters basically the same, just full out gusto, and you just have to admire it. That and the fact that it’s like, you want me to take my top off? Sure. You want me to take my bottoms off? Sure. I mean, this girl has shown her cooch in so many way more horror films than people have exposed their breasts in. I mean, it’s it’s insane. This girl just doesn’t give a rat’s ass about anything, and it’s fantastic to watch.

Craig:  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s kind of admirable. Like, you know, you you you could call it exploitive, but it it’s like she doesn’t care. You know? Like, I hope to God that’s the case, that she really doesn’t care that she’s comfortable with her body, that she’s happy, to do these things. Because if not, then she’s been taken horrible advantage of for sure.

Todd:  But she seems like a smart per I mean, you know, she doesn’t come across as, like, this ditzy person who’s been taken advantage of. I feel like she No. Really knows what she’s getting into. And apparently, she met her husband on this film while she was getting the mold for her fake breasts done. Yeah. What a great story.

Craig:  I know. Romance at its best. Oh my gosh.

Todd:  Alright. Should we dive into this one?

Craig:  I guess so. I I I wanna talk about the first part because I swear to god, the first two minutes of the movie are the best part of the whole movie.

Todd:  Before you even talk about that, let’s talk about the opening music and the animated intro.

Craig:  That that’s what I’m talking about. Oh my god.

Todd:  That’s that’s the best part. Literally. The first 2 minutes.

Craig:  It it opens up with this great synth music and this great animation that’s kind of like, I don’t even, it’s kind of a mix between, the Fantasia night on Bald Mountain. It’s like that and then I feel like that old fashioned y animation where you see the skeletons dancing and stuff, it’s reminiscent of that and it’s fantastic. And it’s just this great synth music over the opening credits with this cool, spooky, very Halloweeny animation, and it’s it’s the best part of the movie.

Todd:  I mean, it’s Todd

Craig:  the ball downhill from there.

Todd:  It’s so hilarious. We’re just gonna let we’re gonna let this synth root music run underneath our until it ends underneath everything else we say, because It’s still tense. We can expose you to all of it. Yeah. And then it opens, the the most, you know it’s weird. This movie has the most bizarre, like, bookend to it. Yeah. It is kinda weird. Like, it’s not the kind of movie you expect to have a bookend, but sure enough, it opens up the way, I don’t know, maybe half of the eighties horror bad eighties horror films that we’ve reviewed open up, which is a bunch of punk kids driving down the street causing trouble in a car. Mhmm. And they run by this guy, this old man who’s, like, you crazy kids. Blah blah blah blah blah. They spill his groceries. Some other kid comes out of the shadows at him. His name is Sal. Anyway, he picks up an apple that he’s got in his groceries, and he picks up the thing of razor blades and makes a comment about how he’s gonna show everybody on Halloween or whatever. And and then you just you don’t see this guy again until the very end. Right. And then it just it just focuses on these people, and we’ve got 10 of them to deal with. We’ve got Oh, jeez. We got the 3 in the car or the 4 in the car. We’ve got, the black guy whose name is Roger. We have Pellet who is driving the car, and then we have Stooge. And we mentioned Stooge. He’s the guy who plays the same boorish, you know, frat guy dude drinking beer. In in this case, I mean, if case you couldn’t telegraph it more clearly, he actually has a pig

Clip:  nose on

Todd:  his face. And this man would not stop calling Helen a bitch through this entire film.

Craig:  Well, it’s not just her. It’s every girl. Like, he’s he’s, like, trying Todd, yes, Helen in the beginning. He’s calling her a bitch. And then later on, he’s trying to hook up with Suzanne, and she takes too long in the bathroom, and he starts calling her a bitch. Like, this guy is just such a dick. Like He is. Why why do they hang out with him?

Todd:  Like, what? There’s nothing charming about him. And that’s the thing. You get this boorish guy, and you just can’t wait for him to go away. But I I have to say, like, I I mean, I don’t know. The just the fact that he was just throwing this word around throughout the movie was really grating on me.

Craig:  Oh, yeah.

Todd:  There, bitch. Get off that dizzy fucking bitch, man. Shut up and drive, bitch. You cannot take this bitch anywhere, man. What? Damn it, bitch. Come on. Dizzy bitch. I realize it’s dated and whatnot, but even for the eighties, this is scuzzy. And the fact that nobody calls him out on it, he he gets no punishment for it, nobody seems to care. I don’t know, man. It just made me really uncomfortable. It was it was really misogynistic, I thought.

Craig:  Oh, totally. And and, like, I feel like we’re supposed to think he’s funny, but it’s not funny. Like like if he if he otherwise had some sort of, you know, really funny personality or if these girls were really his friends and he was just messing with them, even then he would still be a dick, but like you know, if it were more playful, if it were more playful, I guess, maybe, but it’s not. Like it’s just mean. Like he’s just a mean spirited jerk. But whatever. He gets killed, so Yeah. It’s okay.

Todd:  And then we get, we get a phone call between Jay and Judy. Jay is the jock, and Judy is the sweet girl. She’s like the Sandra Dee of the movie who you figure from the beginning is gonna live through it all.

Craig:  She’s dressed as Alice in Wonderland.

Todd:  Basically, they have a conversation on the phone. They’re supposed to go to the school dance, but Jay says, no, let’s go to this party instead. The acting’s terrible in this film.

Craig:  This is the it’s the perfect example of the bad act. I mean, she’s terrible, this this girl who plays Judy.

Clip:  Does this mean I should find another date for the dance? Of course not. Hey. I thought you’d be happy to go to a real party.

Craig:  That’s cool. Dance is for nerds.

Clip:  Oh, okay. Sure. Why not? Who’s giving it? I don’t know if you know her. Her name’s Angela. Angela? No, the only Angela I know is that weird girl in history class.

Todd:  Well, as a matter of fact

Clip:  Shay, you’ve got to be kidding. Angela is such a weirdo. Granny says she’s into witchcraft and all sorts of creepy stuff.

Todd:  Thank you.

Craig:  She’s so Jan Brady. Oh my gosh. Her name’s Kathy Podwell and she gets high billing because she does end up kind of being the final girl, I guess. But

Clip:  Britney says she’s into witchcraft and stuff.

Craig:  Like, I mean, you can’t deny that the acting is terrible, but good lord, the dialogue they’re given. I mean, what

Todd:  are they supposed to do? It’s terrible.

Craig:  Oh my god. And we find out that the party is at Hull House, which has, you know, its own mythology. It’s kind of in their town. It’s the spooky old haunted house. And Another thing that just also makes this movie entirely implausible because eventually they end up going there. And how are you gonna have a straight up house party at this old abandoned place? You know like, are there no police in your town? Right. There’s there’s even a comment made

Todd:  at some point. Oh, that was easy.

Craig:  They didn’t even lock

Clip:  the gate. Yeah. The county used to keep this place locked up all the time. Only the locks kept disappearing. I guess they finally gave up. Well, it doesn’t look like much of a party happening here. Maybe we could still make the dance.

Todd:  Like what? Oh, God. Yeah.

Craig:  But we’re getting we’re getting ahead of ourselves. Sal Sal is, Judy’s ex boyfriend and he wants to hang out with her, I guess, on Halloween or whatever. But, she doesn’t want anything to do with him so he bribes her little brother with a dollar. So first he

Todd:  bribes him with a quarter.

Craig:  And there’s, like, quarters way, man. Yeah. Quarter’s not good enough, so he he gives him the dollar. So he finds out where the party is or whatever. And then we cut Todd,

Todd:  oh,

Craig:  God, it’s a scene in a convenience store, but it’s a direct cut from this guy Sal walking away from Judy’s house to just a bent over picture of Linnea Quigley’s ass and vagina just shaking full screen.

Todd:  Oh my.

Craig:  Bent over. I mean, she’s wearing panties, but she may as well not be because it leaves nothing to the imagination. And it’s just such a funny scene. These goofball convenience store guys are just ogling her as she’s bent over in front of them. And as it turns out, it’s a distraction. Her friend Angela is then going through the convenience store, which is full of people.

Todd:  A lot of people. And she’s grabbing stuff.

Craig:  And she’s got like a sack that looks like it’s made out of a bedsheet. Like it’s this huge sack and she’s just throwing stuff in there, like filling up this huge sack. And, finally she gives Suzanne Lunay Quigley the sign like I’m done, I got it or whatever. Oh, and then probably my favorite line in the movie, Suzanne walks out as she’s walking towards the, the convenience store guys. She goes

Clip:  Do you guys have sour balls?

Todd:  Well, sure we do.

Clip:  Too bad. I bet you don’t get many blow jobs.

Todd:  She walks out.

Craig:  Sour balls.

Todd:  Oh my gosh. The laughs never stop with this film.

Craig:  In the future, I think if I ever watch this again, I think I might just turn it off.

Todd:  That’s that. Like, I’ve seen all I need to see. Well, to be fair, in the movie’s defense, it’s extremely clear by this point that the film isn’t even taking itself seriously.

Craig:  No. No. No.

Todd:  It it’s meant to be I wouldn’t say it’s meant to be a comedy, but it’s meant to have a lot of comedic points in it. Let’s put it that way.

Craig:  It’s tongue in cheek. It’s tongue in cheek. Yeah. And and I get it. And that’s that’s funny. You know? Like, it it’s fun. I’ll go on and on about how terrible it is. Don’t worry I will continue to talk about how terrible it is but in all fairness it’s fun. Just get drunk first. For sure.

Todd:  Don’t watch it alone. My Todd.

Craig:  Don’t sit in your living room on a Saturday afternoon in the middle of the day Laugh. Stone cold sober and watch this movie. You are not going to have the experience that you should have.

Todd:  I had I had to watch it 2 chunks, man. I I really did. After about 45 minutes, I was like, alright. I’m going to bed. I’m watching the rest of this in the morning.

Craig:  Mhmm.

Todd:  Well and then the next scene is, Jay meeting up with Judy, and they’re at the house. And, there’s a funny scene with his mom and his his kid. Her kid brother has this all these goofy lines, and the mom’s like, would you like a fudge log? And she shows him a tray of the most disgusting looking candies. Yeah. It looks like a tray of cat turds. These are just this is just such lowbrow comedy here.

Craig:  Yeah.

Todd:  And Jay tries to kiss Judy as they’re leaving, and Judy’s like, slow down. Slow down. Like, he can’t even kiss her. And this is, know, a theme that we’re gonna get throughout here is Judy’s virginal status and Jay trying to get with her. So anyway, they all leave, and they’re going to go to this house, and I guess, Stooge and the carload of people are going to the same party. As they’re driving down the street, Stooge is messing around, and their car breaks down, has a flat. There’s, Max and Frannie, in another car. Are they with Judy and Jay at this point?

Craig:  Yeah. Judy and Jay picked them up, and

Todd:  That’s right.

Craig:  Max Max, these care they don’t make any they’re they’re completely insignificant. Max is I have written down next to his name, doctor’s costume, and I have written down next to Frannie, Asian girl.

Todd:  Asian

Craig:  girl. And they are a couple. And she doesn’t get much screen time. No. She is stunningly gorgeous.

Todd:  My biggest regret about this film is that she did not have more of a starring role.

Craig:  I wish she did because she seems like a better actress than the other girls, and and she’s she’s really beautiful. And and Max, you know, he doesn’t have much to do either. He doesn’t seem as bad as the rest of them either.

Todd:  But Max is exposition boy.

Craig:  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that’s right. I forgot.

Todd:  Max knows everything about this house.

Craig:  That’s right. Because he reads.

Clip:  Hey, you know, I think we’re smelling multiple ghosts here. I’ve read about things like

Todd:  this. There’s something, Max. I never knew you could read.

Clip:  No. Really, Stuage. I’m not kidding. I read all the time.

Todd:  The writing’s fantastic. As soon as they come to this play well, Max and Frannie and, Judy and Jay kind of give these guys the bird as they’re going by, and they end up at the house, and Max gives this long exposition about the history of the house. There’s a brick wall around the house, and it’s like every scene, they’re like, oh, look at this brick wall, and he’s like, well, this brick wall, they say, is over an underground stream that surrounds the house. Like, oh, that’s weird. Yes, they say that the spirits that live in this house can’t cross the running water, and that’s why the stream runs around the house. Oh wow, that’s very interesting. You know, back in 1922, this house I mean, like, he goes on and on. He’s got a common

Craig:  I had I had forgotten that was him. That’s how memorable these characters are. But yeah, he explains that it used to be a funeral parlor, and old Mr. Hull really loved his clientele, like in the carnal way. But at some point, one of the Hulls slaughtered the rest of their family on Halloween night. So this house has this whole sordid history.

Todd:  I love it when they walk into the house and they’re like,

Clip:  somebody fired the maid. Yeah. Somebody did. The whole family maid was killed along with the rest of them. Someone managed to roast her. Great. Barbecue maid. I wonder if she can keep the place clean.

Todd:  Oh, man.

Craig:  And so basically, they all just show up. Yeah. And and Sal pops out of a coffin and scares Jay and makes him mad, but eventually, they’re just all there. They get the party started.

Todd:  They have this dumbass house party that we’ve seen in so many of these movies, like spookies, where suddenly they break out like like these teenagers break out like trades of hors d’oeuvres, things like that that they can lay it out on the table. They’ve, like, taken time to decorate the walls with, like, skeletons and things like that. And they’re just, like, randomly dancing and hanging out corners, and Judy’s fretting about this lighter, which is, like, the dumb the dumbest scene ever, when she’s trying to light a candle or something, and then Angela comes up to her and is, like, don’t leave that lighter lingering around. You don’t want the spirits to get it.

Craig:  That’s what she says. And then that, like, that really bothers Judy. Like,

Todd:  oh, no. There’s, like, a 5 minute seed of her deciding whether or not she’s gonna leave the light or she’s gonna put it in her pocket. She ends up, like, making a bold choice and putting it in

Craig:  her pocket. Yeah. And and Suzanne Quigley is dancing sexy, and all the boys are ogling her. And then somebody pulls out a strobe light and like you would think that it was the coolest thing that had ever happened. Like, oh my Todd, a strobe light. This party is epic. But then then the music stops. They think the batteries went dead. Of course, we know that it’s probably the demons at work but since the music has Todd, Angela’s like, Hey, let’s have a seance. And they’re like, I don’t know, don’t you think that’s kind of risky? But then one of them I think it’s Frannie is like, Well, let’s have a past life seance. Like that. Is that a thing?

Todd:  Purpose of my life. They’re like, oh. And then Angela, I think, explains what it is. Right? Yeah. They have to get they have

Craig:  to get a mirror, and they have to sit around the mirror and look in it, and one person is supposed Todd, like, stand right in front of it and they’re supposed to stare at it until it fogs over black and then it will clear up and show what she looks like in a previous life. And of course, they find a great big huge mirror and and start to do this and that’s just when all hell breaks loose.

Todd:  Some demon like, we get a demon face in the mirror, and everybody’s conveniently turned away looking at something except for Helen, who sees it and is is totally spooked. And Raj is spooked too for some reason. We don’t really understand. He saw something when he was off, and, they hear sounds from the basement. And and we get that, like, first person perspective thing like Amityville Horror

Craig:  Yeah.

Todd:  Or or Evil Dead, where this demon, like, flies up through the basement and then possesses Suzanne. We see it. Yep. And Raj decides he’s going to leave. My daddy was a preacher. And I know better than Todd be here fooling with this stuff. It’s which comes up again later. I don’t understand. Actually, it’s kind of offensive, really. It’s Yeah. Yeah. Characters. Just borderline offensive. Anyway, let’s see. At some point, Angela explains the difference between the house being haunted versus the house being possessed. Apparently, if a house is haunted, it means ghosts live there. If a house is possessed, it means a demon lives there.

Craig:  It’s really important for us to know that moving forward.

Todd:  And then, right, and then, of course, the moment we’re all waiting for, everybody sort of splits up and goes their own way. Yep. Jay decides he wants to go off to a corner with Judy, Sal runs off somewhere. I don’t know what Stew just Todd, drinking and doing something blah blah blah. Anyway, they all sort of split up, and Rog and Helen decide they’re going to leave. I mean, these people keep saying they’re going to leave, and they never actually leave.

Craig:  Well, I I did at least appreciate that that Roger and Helen were, like, no. Seriously, we’re leaving. And they try. Like, they they legit try to leave. But when they go outside, the whole house, as you mentioned before, is surrounded by this great big brick wall. And, when they go outside they try to find the gate, but apparently the gate has disappeared. So they’re all stuck in there. But I, you know, Roger as a character is played on, you know, it’s a very fine line between offensive black stereotype, but I at least appreciated that he was the only one who really throughout the whole movie is smart enough to be like, seriously, we need to get the freak out of here. Yeah. Like, please, let’s leave. He tries. Todd doesn’t work, but tries.

Todd:  And Judy decides to run off, and Raj gets spooked, and he runs into a car and decides to just hold himself up in a car. And Suzanne kisses Angela for some odd reason, and that transfers or multiplies, I guess, the demon into Angela as well. So now we know that both Angela and Suzanne are possessed. Max goes into exposition mode again.

Craig:  Yeah. And not only is it a murder house, but it also sits on ancient evil Indian land.

Todd:  That’s right.

Clip:  A young brave got lost and settled here with his family by mistake. Anyway, they found him 3 weeks later. Sitting under a teepee he made out of his squaws intestines and chewing on the leg of his papoose.

Todd:  Oh, man.

Craig:  It’s like I

Todd:  know. Oh, yeah. It you know what? Now that we’re talking about it, this is so like, so much of this is similar to the Amityville.

Craig:  It is. Well, I mean, it’s it’s it’s cut and paste. I mean, you know It’s

Todd:  so hilarious.

Craig:  It’s a 1000000 movies. We’ve Yeah. We’ve seen it a 1000000 time. And and it can be done well, you know, like poltergeist. It’s it’s pretty much the exact same thing, but that’s a good movie. And Oh, gosh.

Todd:  So, let’s see. Then Jay and Judy are making out, and, apparently, Judy’s allowing him to kiss her this time, but, they won’t she won’t go any further. And this is when Jay becomes total dick and is like, well, then fine. I thought this was what you wanted. And so he leaves Judy. And that’s the thing about the people in this house is they get left or locked in places or whatnot, and then they just totally just sit there, and they’re they’re fine.

Craig:  Yeah. Meanwhile, Suzanne and Stooge have gone Todd the bathroom room together, and I I guess he thought that he was gonna get lucky in the bathroom, but, she leaves him outside, and she’s, like, looking in the mirror, and her face goes all demony. You know, it’s okay, we get it, they’re possessed. It’s like, now it’s time for some special effects. And then she disappears. And then, probably another one of the most iconic parts of this movie, Angela does a sexy dance for Sal.

Todd:  I called it an interpretive dance.

Craig:  I mean,

Todd:  it killed a good 5 minutes of the movie at least. Todd Yeah. She got credit in the film for being the

Craig:  choreographer. She did? Angela did? The the actress?

Todd:  The actress. Yeah. Mimi Oh, well. As a matter of fact, if you look up, her profile, you’ll see that she’s been mostly a dancer for a lot of things. So it’s nice to see that she was able to take some of her other talents and incorporate them into this film as

Craig:  well. Yeah. I’m sure that she’s a lovely dancer, and this, is the 80s and things were different in the 80s for this dance. I swear to Todd. Oh my God. It’s so funny. And I feel like she must okay. You know, I have to give her artistic credit. I’m I’m sure that she came up with most of this dance by herself, but I can just imagine the director off camera saying like, that’s really Todd, but could you pull your skirt up more?

Todd:  That’s right. I can’t see your underwear. There you go. That’s it. Now, wriggle that around

Craig:  for a while while

Todd:  I’m zoom in.

Craig:  Head. Like, all the way up over get all the way up over your head.

Todd:  Good. Good. Got it. It’s Sal who is like Sal’s like the Fonz in this film, and he’s just standing there just watching it the whole time, and Stooge comes in as well. I think Sal just decides he’s

Craig:  gonna leave. Yeah. He it’s too weird

Todd:  for him. And Stooge comes in, he and Angela do a little dance.

Clip:  You know, Stooge, I never realized how sexy you are.

Todd:  You kiss me. Oh. And bites his tongue off. And this is the thing about this movie too. Like, alright. See, up until this point, like, nothing has really happened. Mhmm. Stuff has happened, but it’s just people getting freaked out. We know 2 people are possessed, but nobody’s died. We’re we’re not really to me, anyway, there’s, like, no tension. And finally, his tongue gets bit off, and she smiles at him, and she’s all demon y now, and she’s got spits his tongue out, and there’s blood hanging from his mouth, and then they just cut away.

Craig:  Yeah. And and that happens a lot. Yeah. And I I I guess maybe that’s because there are so many people like we have to keep up with them, I guess. But it is. It’s these abrupt cuts away from scenes into other scenes. But this one cuts to Sal finding Suzanne. She’s messing with her lipstick, but she’s, like, put it all over her face.

Todd:  Yeah. Suzanne’s theme is that she’s always looking at her face and constantly super vain and doing her makeup.

Craig:  Right. Right. So she talks to him, and she’s like, doesn’t my makeup look okay or something? I don’t know. And, he leaves, but as soon as he leaves, it’s like she sits there for a second and, like, something’s going through her mind, like, I have an idea, and then

Todd:  she opens

Craig:  up her shirt and I know that you have been dying to describe this scene. Oh my gosh. Take the stage, my friend.

Todd:  Yeah. She, has got her lipstick, which she has already painted all over her face, and she slowly brings it down her chest and draws this mark down then under her left boob and then circling around, slowly closing out her nipple, and then just pushes the lipstick right into her nipple where it disappears into her breast. She takes her way hand away, there’s no lipstick, and then cut away.

Craig:  This is the scene that everybody talks about. If you talk about this movie, everybody remembers this scene. And it’s weird and, like, it’s so apropos of nothing like nothing else ever happened you know like that’s just it she just sticks her whole lipstick tube in her boob. Now what I will say about this is whoever did this effect is talented. It’s fantastic. It looks great.

Todd:  It looks like There has never been a more realistic press of anything into somebody’s nipple where it completely disappears as this film. And we know that there’s no CGI involved. Wow. It’s amazing.

Craig:  No. It it really does. I mean, it looks pretty real. Her prosthetic looks like real boobs or, I mean, I haven’t seen that many except for on TV, but Well it looks real.

Todd:  It It really looks like Lania Quigley’s fake boobs.

Craig:  Yeah. Right. And, like, not only does she poke it in there, but then she like, she sticks it. Like she’s driving her finger up in there, like really getting it up in there. And then she pulls it out and like you can’t see a seam or a hole. Nothing. Like, it it Todd job, fake boob guy. Because that looked great.

Todd:  Yeah. For no good reason. There’s no payoff to this scene. That’s what makes this so odd. It’s the weirdest thing you’ve ever seen, and it’s not like she becomes the lipstick monster or, like she shoots lipstick out of her boobs from then on. Nothing happens except for this bizarre scene completely by herself. Like, nobody else even observes it. It doesn’t even have the benefit of being something creepy for somebody else to see. Right. It’s like this demon by itself decides, I don’t know. We got a few minutes. Let’s get rid of this lipstick.

Craig:  Oh, gosh. And it’s so funny because I remembered there being a payoff, and there’s not. Now I I’ve seen the remake. Have you seen the 2009 remake?

Todd:  Oh, gosh. No. You have.

Craig:  I have seen it. And and maybe it’s in the remake because I remembered the lipstick later coming out of her mouth, like she pulls it out of her mouth. That does not happen in this movie. Oh. But I feel like in the remake, it must. And I have to say and this will probably be an unpopular statement but, I think that really the remake is maybe better than this. I don’t know. I think in the remake they just took themselves a little bit more seriously. They had a bigger budget for, the effects and stuff. I mean, it stars the naked chick from American Pie and Eddie Furlong. So if that tells you anything about quality.

Todd:  That’s the pinnacle of quality right there. Oh geez, that’s terrible.

Craig:  And I’ve only seen it once, so maybe my maybe I am in no place to make a statement like that. But anyway, if you, and the only reason I saw it, I didn’t even know there was a remake, and I was just flipping through the channels one day on TV and it happened to be on, so I sat and watched it. It’s worth a watch if you haven’t seen it, and and if you’re a fan

Todd:  of this movie. I’m really curious because, yeah, after seeing this one again, I’d love to see a modern take on it for sure.

Craig:  It’s it’s worth taking a look at. But at this point, you know, gosh, how specific do we wanna be? At this point, everybody else will have 1 by 1, gets possessed. Jay, who is, you know, all sexually frustrated because Judy wouldn’t have sex with him, finds Suzanne and they fuck for a second until she pokes his eyeballs out. And then Frannie and Max also, they find a coffin.

Clip:  You know, I’ve never made it in a coffin before. Me

Todd:  neither. And then and

Craig:  then when we’re again, you know, I hate to be misogynistic, but we we get to see a lot of these girls with their tops off, and Frannie beats them all. She looks fantastic. But they end up, Stooge ends up killing them. He breaks her neck and then, like, I guess he he he like slams the coffin down and slams it on Max’s arm so many times that the arm falls off, which I guess is enough to kill Max because he’s Todd, and and later shows up possessed. That’s pretty much it. So then we’ve got, like, Roger and Sal who are the only 2 left. For the next 20 minutes, Judy runs around screaming

Todd:  while she’s being

Craig:  while she’s being chased Yeah. And Roger is kind of running around, not screaming as much, but getting scared. And they just kinda keep running into the the rest of the people in demon Craig. And, it’s kinda till the end.

Todd:  Yeah. It’s just one of those deals. They run into them, ah, and they run off, and then they’re quiet again. Throughout this whole movie, nobody here it’s not that big of a house, but apparently Todd hears what’s going on in the other rooms. Everybody’s super separated. All they end up in a rooftop. You know, and the thing is, like, they can’t get out, but then they do get out, but then Angela scares them back in. It becomes a sort of Judy and Raj thing after a while.

Craig:  Yeah. Yeah. And for some reason I was getting, shades of Night of the Living Dead here. I guess maybe just because it was a white chicken and black dude. I don’t know. But that’s kinda what it felt like. It felt like the the 2 folks from Night of the Living Dead you know what I’m talking about?

Todd:  Yeah. I know exactly what you mean.

Craig:  Yep. And that’s that’s and and Roger really ends up kind of being the hero of the story. I mean, Judy, you know, she sticks around, but she just runs around screaming like a banshee. Except for one part where they end up in a crematorium. This was kind of hilarious to me. They end up in this crematorium. Yeah, they’re locked in and the demons are like beating down the door and Judy’s like, We need a weapon. We need a weapon. Wait a second, the pipe. And she goes to pull the pipe out of the oven and she pulls it out, and then gas starts coming out. It’s hilarious to me that this place has been abandoned for a 100 years, and they’re still paying their gas bill apparently.

Todd:  It’s the gas they want. And and then she gets to fill the room up with gas while she’s trying to light this lighter, and there’s all this supposed tension where the demons are telepathically, I guess, pulling the pins out of the door so they can break the door down while she cannot light a lighter to save her life. And I’m thinking, by the time she lights this lighter, this room is going to explode.

Craig:  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Todd:  But this is a moment where Todd does, it actually doesn’t make any sense because Judy completely picks up. And while she’s been, the not hero through this thing, suddenly gets a mind of her own and decides to take some initiative, and Raj, on the other hand, does absolutely nothing to help her. Right. He’s cowering in the corner. He’s, like, he’s, like, freaking runs off and leaves her at times. Like, here’s the problem with Raj. You wanna like this you wanna like this character. You wanna at least say, well, here’s something redeeming, the black guy that lives to the end. Right. But like we said, he’s written a little stereotypical, and then he’s alternately extremely helpful, and he’s willing to linger around and help her out, like, when she’s dangling from the ledge, and he’s encouraging her. Come on, Judy. Come on, Judy. In the face of all this, you know, stuff coming their way. Yet when they’re locked in a room relatively safe trying to find a way out, he’s got nothing. It’s so uneven. It’s so He wants to pray. Oh my god.

Clip:  We can’t wait, Rog. We gotta try. There’s no other way out.

Todd:  1st, let’s pray. My daddy, he told me how to pray real good. Oh my god.

Craig:  Yeah. It’s it’s pretty bad. I mean, on the one hand, I kind of appreciate Todd, I can’t even believe I’m gonna say this word, the realism of it. Because if it were me, screw Judy. Like, I’m getting out of here. And he does that a couple of times. Ultimately, he’s heroic. But this scene, you know, it’s so stupid. You’re absolutely right. We hear this gas running running running and she’s flicking this BIC and like all it would take would be a frickin’ spark. It’s not like it would actually need Todd light for this room filled with gas. But it is kind of fun when she actually gets it lit and then it’s a flamethrower and she cooks, Angela and Stooge. And something that we haven’t really talked about and it’s really evident, especially after they’ve been burned, the makeup effects are really fun in the movie. They’re really good. Well, they’re alternately good and lazy. Like, some of them get the full demon treatment and then some of them just kind of get the white face zombie treatment. It’s weird, but

Todd:  I don’t think the makeup effects ever get as good as the poster.

Craig:  No. I I agree. I agree. But they are fun. I mean, just, you know, from a visual perspective, it’s it’s fun to look at. It’s it’s it’s kind of the payoff that you get for sitting through this terrible movie. Okay, so she flamethrows the bad guys and then they’re running around the house but they’re locked in and then all of their friends who are demons now surround them in the living room and Roger, as I said before, is like screw you Judy and he jumps out the window, but they’re on the 1st floor so he’s fine. And she follows him, and they run to the wall. And there’s no gate, so they have to go over it. And apparently, there’s barbed wire that runs along the top of it, but in this particular section it has fallen down. So Roger climbs the barbed wire and his his hands are getting all cut up, and he gets up to the Todd. And I would say this is what, like a 20 foot wall?

Todd:  It’s huge. And

Craig:  he gets up there and he’s like laying on the top of it and he’s like, come on, climb up. I’ll get your hand. And she starts climbing up and she gets about halfway and then the demons come out and like they get a Todd of her legs and, Roger somehow falls off onto the other side where he would be safe, and it’s like he has a moral dilemma. Like, you know, what am I going to do? And we think that it’s the end for Judy, but no, somehow, somehow, somehow Roger gets back on top from the other side.

Todd:  It’s just a no sense. A shot of him on the ground on the other side of this 20 foot wall, a shot of Judy screaming, and then suddenly, it’s like the exact same shot of the back on top of the wall. Give me your hand. Give me your hand. You’re like, what? How did he get back up there?

Craig:  Yeah. It doesn’t make any sense at all, but she he does. He grabs her hand and and pulls her up, which also doesn’t make any sense. There’s, like, 8 people, like, pulling at her. Like, how it doesn’t make any sense, but whatever. And so he gets her over, and they fall onto the other side. And the demons all melt into smoke, and the original demon head that we saw in the mirror appears above the wall and, like, shrieks, but then it disappears and the sun comes up, and then we get the second half of our our bookend.

Todd:  And they walk off into the sunset, and you think that’s the end, but they walk by that old man’s house, and that man shakes his fist at them. All you crazy kids, you’ve been out so late, probably banging each other, blah blah blah, goes inside and sits down at this table. And you’re like, what is going on? Why is this not the end of the movie? And this old woman, his wife comes up and, oh, I served you breakfast, dear. And she hands him something, and he sits down and starts Todd eat. He’s like, oh, this apple pie is real good.

Clip:  There weren’t as many trick or treaters last night, not like the good old days. I had to do something with all those leftover apples. I still can’t understand why you buy so many.

Todd:  Of course, those are the ones that he put razor blades in, and this is another cool effect. Really cool. Oh, yeah. Suddenly the razor blades basically come out of his throat, cut him up, and he falls, slumps forward. And she calmly comes over, looks, pats him on the head, gives him a kiss. As his dad says

Clip:  Happy Halloween, dear.

Todd:  Sips her tea.

Craig:  Oh, I think it’s funny. I think it’s it’s a funny tongue in cheek thing. It it kinda reminds me of, the the end caps on, like, Creepshow or something like that. Like Totally. It’s it’s very tongue in cheek. It it’s it’s it’s a wink. You know? It’s a wink to the audience. Like, we know this was stupid.

Todd:  Here’s a little something extra for you.

Craig:  Oh, man. You know, I don’t know. This I don’t I don’t even know what to say about this movie. What I will say about it is that I’m glad to have seen it. You know I feel like I wouldn’t have any kind I like to consider myself kind of a horror buff and I don’t think that I could claim that title having not seen this movie. You know, it’s very much in the consciousness of horror fans and the poster is iconic, Angela as a character is semi iconic. So I’m glad to have seen it. Is it a great movie? No.

Todd:  Not at all.

Craig:  Absolutely not. But if you are into these and we are, you know, we talk about these movies, we make fun of them, but we love them. We have a special place in our hearts for these bad 80s movies. So if you’re like that, you know, if you appreciate these for what they are, then you’re going to appreciate this movie. I don’t know. You know? What’s the other one that Linnea Quigley was in that we liked so much? Was it Return of the Living Dead?

Todd:  Yeah. Return of the Living well, you didn’t like that one so much. I think, was it slime bubble a rama? Or did

Craig:  you Well, I don’t know. In retrospect in retrospect, I do like those movies and I think that maybe even I enjoy them more than this movie. But they’re in the same vein. I don’t know. You know, it is what it is and it has a place and I can appreciate it for what it is. It’s not great, but whatever. It was fun. It wasn’t a waste of time.

Todd:  We’re gonna be talking about these guys who made this again, like Kevin Tenney who directed this. He did Witchboard. He wrote and directed it. We’re gonna wanna do that one because I remember that one as being pretty interesting.

Craig:  I loved that movie when I was a kid. That was one of those movies that, my parents should not have let me watch when when I was a little kid, but they did. And, oh, I loved it. I

Clip:  loved it.

Craig:  So, you know, we definitely have to do that at some point.

Todd:  And I have to say, I think, you know, looking at it now, the movie’s really boring if you don’t have somebody to goof on it with. It’s Yep. It’s just so much. There’s no payoff at anything spooky that happens. It’s just a bunch of people creeping around the house. Just when something scary happens, it cuts away to 2 people talking again about something else in some other part of the house. And then, you know, it’s just this little chase, but in a sense, it it you can’t really mount any suspense because you never get a sense of place in this house. You never get an idea of what’s where and who’s where. And anytime somebody’s in peril, then they’re conveniently okay for another few minutes, you know, while they prowl around in their quiet corner.

Craig:  So you And you don’t care about any of the characters either.

Todd:  Of course.

Craig:  So there’s there’s no investment.

Todd:  There were 10 of them. It’s hard to. Right?

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  So but, yeah, I think, again, as a fun, goofy eighties movie that takes it’s just a blender of a film. It takes all these tropes and mashes them together and is super obvious about it and even winks at the audience about it and knows that it’s goofy and doesn’t take itself seriously. Yeah. Yeah. It’s entertaining. It’s entertaining. I’d be interested in seeing the remake. That would be kinda fun.

Craig:  Did you see the the sequels? Oh, there’s 2 sequels. Yeah. Did you? No. They came

Todd:  considerably later. I mean, I think the second one has, Mimi Kinkade in it. She reprises her role. Yeah. She in both.

Craig:  She in both, she does. Yeah.

Todd:  It’s like the only thing she’s done outside of dancing. Mhmm. Uh-huh. But and I think Quigley has a brief role in the second one if if I if I remember if I see that correctly. But, no. I’d I’d be interested in seeing the sequels as well. That would be kind of interesting. But As a horror, as a scholar of horror

Craig:  films. Yeah. As a scholarly exercise.

Todd:  I I just wish Jill Teresheeta reprise her role in one of these.

Craig:  I know. Right? I’d love

Todd:  to see her anymore. She’s done almost nothing. She was, like, in sleepaway camp 3, couple of, like, TV movies or something. She did nothing. She she did something in 2017, and before that, her last thing was 1990. She’s got, like, 8 credits as an actress and, like, 4 credits as a stunt person. So, I don’t know.

Craig:  I don’t know. She’s real pretty.

Todd:  Yeah. Such a shame. Totally wasted in this film. Well, anyway, it was fun to laugh about. It’s fun to talk about. Yeah. What a great Halloween movie. Yeah.

Craig:  Definitely. Definitely.

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