The Lost Boys (1987)

Episode 38, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw

Todd:  Welcome to another edition of 2 Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.

Craig:  I’m Craig.

Todd:  And, today, Craig, I feel like we have to come clean with our listeners.

Craig:  Alright. If you think so.

Todd:  We’ve, we’ve missed a couple weeks. We had some technical difficulties. Of course, we posted that on our website and on Facebook. And then we were late getting this podcast out as well. And so I feel we owe everyone an explanation. I have moved to China about a month ago. My wife actually, 2 months ago now, isn’t it? My wife and I packed up our bags and headed to China. And, of course, we knew this was coming, so Craig and I had recorded our last 4 episodes before we left thinking that, well, about a month would give us enough time to get here, get settled into our apartment and stuff.  And, it turns out that, we had a hard time getting an apartment. We’re here in Beijing and apartments are at a premium. And so we were stuck in a hotel for about a month and a half. And while we were in that hotel, we had really crappy wifi. And so, between that and my computer breaking down, and then trying to get my computer fixed, in Beijing, not knowing any Chinese yet, all that just threw a big wrench in the works.

Craig:  Yeah. A little bit.

Todd:  So we were late getting out those last two podcasts that we recorded before I left the states. And then, of course, the Craig and I tried recording this, Lost Boys podcast last week, and, things didn’t go so well on our ends, this being our first time doing this via Skype. So, never fear. We are going to continue, with this podcast as long as we’re able, but we have to do it through Skype now.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  Like about, you know, 3 quarters of the other podcasters out there. So we are we are giving this another shot. So if you’re hearing this, then it came through just fine. Alright. So, anyway, the long story short, here we are. The Lost Boys. Right, Craig?

Craig:  Yep. Here we go.

Todd:  Now you chose The Lost Boys because you have fond memories of this from the from when you were a kid. Right?

Craig:  Right. Yeah. You know, this is again, I’ve said it a 1000000 times. This is one of those movies that one way or another we had on VHS, you know, I don’t know if my dad taped it off of, HBO or dubbed the tape. I don’t know, but, for as long as I can remember, this was just one that we always had readily available and I watched probably a 1000000 times. So yeah. And and I just, being, you know, a kid of the eighties, a boy of the eighties, it was it was kind of difficult to escape the whole the 2 Coreys phenomenon, and, I was a big fan right from the get go, and this was their first movie together. Both of them, Corey Haim and Corey Feldman, had been working actors since they were little boys, and they had both done stuff in the horror genre.  Corey Haim, had done Silver Bullet, which was the, adaptation of Stephen King’s Cycle of the Werewolf. Corey Feldman had done, one of the Friday 13th movies. He originated the Tommy Jarvis, character in one of the Friday 13th movies. And then this was the first time they came together, and then they did a whole bunch of stuff after. And I was, a big fan of of all of their stuff, as I think were a lot of, young people of our day.

Todd:  Yeah. The 2 Corey’s were like a staple of eighties, movies, and you’d get them

Craig:  a lot about this stuff, you know, nostalgia stuff with my friends. And, all my girlfriends, they were big Corey Feldman fans and and thought Corey Feldman was like the hot one. I always, was more of a Haim fan myself. I I don’t know what that says about me, but, yeah. Both of them, you know, big big Todd, of the eighties. Unfortunately, their their flames, burned out, a little bit as they got into the nineties and as they got a little bit older, but, made a lot of, really popular movies. I I, you know, I liked this one. I liked License Todd Drive.  Dream A Little Dream flew a little bit more under the radar, I think, but I was always a big fan of that movie Todd. Just just, you know, a fan of these guys in general. And and I think part of the reason for that is because you could tell in these movies that these guys really just had kind of a connection, a chemistry. You know, they were they were great friends in in real life. They went through a lot of stuff together, and, you know, that that continued through their adult lives. Unfortunately, they both struggled with some things. You know, Corey Haim, sadly, eventually met his demise due to some of the problems that he had. Corey Feldman has has since then spoken out and said that there was some abuse and stuff going on in the industry, which, is really sad.  But, nevertheless, they left their legacy with these handful of movies. And now, as a nearly 40 year old guy, I can still kinda look back on these, and it’s a nice reminder of a a different time.

Todd:  You know, it is, and I think that’s the thing that struck me the most about this this film. I have to admit that I have never seen this before.

Craig:  I can’t believe that. I don’t know how you’re a horror fan and you’ve got all the way through your life without having ever seen this movie. I mean, it’s not, you know, I we’ll get into it. I I I kinda consider this to be kind of a classic vampire movie, but I haven’t really sat down and watched it start to finish in probably years, and and having done that now, you know, it’s it’s it’s it’s dated. It’s, it’s maybe not held up as well as some of the others, but but really, you know, it’s kind of a definitive vampire movie. You still see these memes all over Facebook vampires, not this. And, you know, it shows, you know, the Edward Cullen’s or vampires, not this. And, you know, it shows, you know, the Edward Collins or whatever.  So I can’t believe you made it this far in your life without having seen it.

Todd:  You know, I can’t either, and you know, and it was always at the video store. It was always available to rent. I think to me, you know, it kind of disguised itself. It was never like a hardcore vampire movie. Right. You know? It always, even from the box art Todd just the reputation surrounding the film, is that it’s more of this sort of hip teenager movie Yeah. First, and a vampire movie second. Right?

Craig:  Yeah. Well, and it kinda, you know, it capitalized on kinda like the eighties glam rock, kinda thing, and that’s, you know, the the vampires are very much somebody you would have seen, in a hairband, of of the 19 eighties. And and so yeah. I mean, there was always and and it was young Hollywood, you know, you’ve got, Kiefer Sutherland, Donald Sutherland’s son, you know, who had done some stuff, I think, but this was kinda his big first, role, at least as far as I can remember. And then, you know, you’ve got the Coreys, of course, and then you’ve got, Jamie Gertz, who was really kind of a hot girl of, the eighties, did a lot of great eighties movies, and she, you know, she plays star in this movie. So yeah. It was, you know, it’s got a very MTV feel about it all around and so, maybe that kind of overshadowed the horror elements a little bit.

Todd:  Yeah. I think so. At least, that’s how I felt, and I think that’s what kept me away from the movie so much, is I thought, oh, this is gonna be such a hardcore horror film, and so I’m not gonna spend the time watching it. Now having said that and put it in and watched it, my gosh, this is the lost eighties movie that I’ve always wanted to see. Yeah. I mean, from the moment the music kicks in, you know, the soundtrack is just is just total eighties. It is Oh, yeah. It it’s so my style, actually.

Craig:  Right. Right. Yeah. The soundtrack. Yeah. It’s got I mean, it’s got these these great, like, you know, eighties rock music. The the the main song, Cry Little Sister, is is kind of an iconic song, in its own right. And it comes from here, and they’ve used it in every, you know, sequel, to this movie.  And, I don’t know. I mean, you’re you’re right. It’s it’s it’s solidly planted in the eighties.

Todd:  Oh, man. Is it ever. And, and it’s really has some really unique camerawork. I was really surprised actually at the style. It was clear that these guys were going for something very different. You get that immediate swooping, while the music is playing. You get that immediate swooping view into the, the fiction the Santa Clara, which is clearly Santa Monica, California, down onto the beach. And then, of course, these point of view shots from the vampires where you don’t see the vampires flying.  In fact, I’m not sure you ever see the vampires flying in this movie.

Craig:  Yeah. There’s just one little part where it’s very

Todd:  suggested towards the end. Yeah. Yeah. But you get that point of view where they’re swooping down on the the couple in the car and the security guard, who tells the guy it’s off and tells them to get off the carousel and get out, and then they come down and they have their revenge and and yank him away from the car as he’s going home for the night, pulling off that car door with it. It starts out being really cool, but then I feel like it happens over and over again, and it gets a little cheesy, I think, as the movie goes on.

Craig:  Yeah. You know, and I don’t  know what that you  know, I don’t know if  that was a stylistic choice or if it was budget constraints or what, and and you know, I think that had they tried to do a lot with showing the vampires flying around, that could’ve very easily gotten cheesy really fast. I’m almost, happy that they instead went the other route and kind of let us get these point of view shots where, you know, we hear the the wind kind of racing by as though, you know, we were flying through the air, and and you just have, you know, the perspective of the vampires attacking. You don’t really see the attack. You just kinda see it, from from their point of view. And, yeah, I think it works, but I can see where you’re coming from in saying that, maybe they could have changed it up every once in a while. Because, you know, they they they do utilize the effect a lot.

Todd:  Yeah. You’re right. With that eighties, special effects that were available at the time, it would have started to look kinda silly

Craig:  Right.  If they

Todd:  had done that. But, you know, I I guess, I guess it’s nice to leave a little bit of that to the imagination as well. Sure. Sure. The movie starts out, with this family that’s basically moved in. Father’s out of the picture for some reason. Was he re were they recently divorced?

Craig:  Is that what Yeah, I think so.

Todd:  Mhmm. And so you kind of think that that’s going to be an element throughout the movie, is this this family of 3, the mother, and the 2 sons really struggling to piece their lives together after a divorce. It really doesn’t go into those themes much at all, does it?

Craig:  Not very much. And it’s, you know, it’s a little sad because the mom is played by Dianne Wiest who is an a great actress. You know, she’s been working forever. She’s still working. You still see her all over. I think she’s got a a show on on network television right now, and she’s really good in this movie. You know, she’s young and and pretty and soft spoken and, you know, she’s a great eighties mom. You know, it’s the kinda mom I have a great mom, but, you know, it’s it’s the kind of mom you want.  She seems like a cool hip mom. And she’s got these 2 boys. Sam is, Corey Haim and Michael, Jason Patrick, you know, somebody else who, was was doing quite a lot in the eighties and early nineties. And, yeah, it sets it up as this dynamic, you know, this small family of 3 who’s been dislocated. They’re now moving, to this new city, Santa Carla. And after that whole intro thing with with the vampires on the boardwalk, that’s where we pick up. It’s just them coming into town. They pass the Santa Carla, billboard.  And after they drive past it, Michael, Jason Patrick, looks back and he sees on the back that it’s graffitied Todd it says the murder capital of the world. And so we know that there’s gonna be danger involved and and and that’s kind of where it goes. You’re right. We don’t get a whole lot of the family dynamic. There are a couple of scenes, after Michael kind of gets involved with the vampires and he’s starting to act strange, there’s one nice scene between him and the mom, Lucy, where she’s expressing her concern and  Michael, look at me. If if there’s a girl I’m tired, mom. We could talk about I’m tired. We could talk about anything you wanted to talk about. I have more serious things in my mind than girls in school. There’s things I’m dealing with that you can Things I wouldn’t understand.  She’s worried about him. And again, like I said, you know, she’s just so sweet and soft spoken, and she seems like the kind of mom that somebody could really open up to. But, it doesn’t explore that too much, which is is maybe a little bit of a weakness.

Todd:  Yeah. It It seems like it could have gone there, and it would have been a really interesting movie, but they instead tried to go this other direction and focus a little bit more on comedy, in what I felt like were some almost to me, the movie just felt like it didn’t know what it wanted to be. It didn’t know if it wanted to be this hip, scary vampire movie, or if it wanted to be a horror comedy almost on par with fright night or something like that. And it was jarring to me that you have these elements that were and, admittedly, pretty hip. And I think those parts, if you take out the cheesy eighties music, would really still hold up today.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  Where, it’s Michael as the older brother, and, you know, being the fresh guy in town, he sees this girl from across the way in the crowd while they’re watching this oiled up, saxophone player.

Craig:  Oh, god. I love that scene so much. You know, it it’s it’s iconic. You know? You the the whole scene, you know, a lot of the action takes place on this boardwalk where it seems like, you know, it’s the nightlife or whatever. And, yeah, I mean, as soon as Michael and and Sam get there, there’s a little bit of introduction where they, you know, they’re going to live with, their mom’s dad, grandpa. I don’t even think he’s ever given a name. They just call him grandpa, and he’s kinda quirky and funny and, you know, they kind of establish here’s where we are. But then the boys immediately kinda go out into the world and they’re exploring their new world, and Michael they go out at night on this boardwalk, and it’s just this it’s so eighties.  I I can’t I’ll probably say that a 1000000 times, but it it feels like one of those eighties concert videos, where you’ve got all the cool hip kids in the audience dancing around and sweating and, then you’ve got this guy in these purple hot pants on stage just doing this epic, like, saxophone rock solo and, oh, Todd. It’s funny. Yeah. And and and right away, you know, we get thrown into the plot where Michael sees this girl, Todd, played by, Jamie Gertz. And,  you know, they kind of share some furtive glances, and and then we get kinda thrown into the world. Yeah. He’s interested in Todd, so he starts chasing him. And of course, his little brother Sam is tailing along, like you really wanna follow that girl, and of course, when he gets to her, she’s hopped on the back,

Todd:  of a motorbike, with this gang that we had seen earlier Right. And led by Kiefer Sutherland’s character.

Craig:  Mhmm.

Todd:  And it’s interesting here where you expect Kiefer Sutherland’s character whose name is David. David. You expect David, to be mad. You know, again, this this would be one of those scenes in the eighties movies where it’s like, what? You want you want some of my girlfriend? Well, new boy in town, Karate Kid style.

Craig:  You know, picking

Todd:  up his tires at him and blasting away or beating him up or something, but he doesn’t do that. He kinda looks at him, and it’s almost a come on, and then it’s almost a challenge, like, come get us.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  Kinda deal.

Craig:  Yeah. It’s you’re right. It it would be that classic Karate Kid thing. You know, let’s let’s duke it out, kinda see who the bigger man is or whatever. But instead, David, it seems at first like he’s challenging to a motorcycle race, but Michael says, you know, I I can’t beat your bike. And he says, well, you don’t have to beat me. You just have to you just have to keep up. And and so they go, you know, biking around and, eventually, they end up, at this I guess it’s like a rundown hotel.  Like, they they explained that there had been some big, earthquake in the seventies and this hotel had been sitting right on the fault line and the fault opened up and swallowed this hotel and this is their lair now. And And it’s really cool. It is really cool.

Todd:  It’s a neat update of sort of the, iconic Dracula in his massive castle, that’s sort of run down over the ages with cobwebs everywhere and broken furniture because it’s unkept. This is the same way, except it’s because the hotel’s been abandoned, and and it creates that layer that’s not only castle like, but it’s also cave like because it is underground.

Craig:  Right. Right. Right. And it you know, it’s it’s it’s dilapidated, but at the same time, it’s kinda got this hip eighties feel. It’s got the, you know, this huge poster of, Jim Morrison on the wall. And and that’s where they hang out. And, you know, we already assume that these I mean, going into it, we know this is a vampire movie. We know these guys are vampires.  But, of course, Michael doesn’t know. And it’s almost kind of like he’s being initiated into their gang. And and what surprised me watching this scene again was how manipulative David is in getting Michael dragged into their vampire group. It’s it’s kind of sexy and kind of seductive, but at the same time there’s a lot of trickery going on. What they do is they get him down there and then, David well, first, I I think he passes him a joint. You know, that happens really quick. He barely I didn’t even notice. I didn’t know what was going on there when I was a kid.  But then he says, we got some food. Let’s eat. And it’s Chinese food and he he passes, Michael, a take out container and and Michael starts to eat the rice. And David says, how you like those maggots? And and Michael, kinda laughs and, and thinks he’s joking, but then he looks down and it the box is crawling with maggots. And so he spits the rice out and throws it down on the ground.  Sorry about that. No hard feelings, Why don’t you try some noodles? They’re worms. I mean, they’re worms.  Tony.  They’re only noodles, Michael.  So there’s there’s this kind of trickery going on which leads up to them saying or David saying, okay. Here now, Drink this. And he’s got this bottle of wine, presumably, but it’s like this fancy gilded bottle, And he hands it to Michael and Todd comes around and says, you don’t have to do it. It’s blood. And Michael says, oh yeah, right. It’s blood. And he drinks it, and and that presumably then is what turns him into a vampire or, as we find out later, half vampire.

Todd:  As it plays around with the lore just a little bit.

Craig:  Right. Right. But I had never noticed, you know, I don’t know. I guess I wasn’t really thinking about nuance when I was 12 or whatever, but, you know, it was really kind  of a seductive manipulative thing and then from that point on, he sucked in, and there’s really no getting out of it. Yeah, and it’s interesting too because I guess instead of being that sexual vampire thing that you get an awful lot, which is almost part and parcel vampire, this is more macho

Todd:  in a way. It’s it’s that he doesn’t wanna look bad in front of this girl. Even though this girl obviously has a boyfriend, he clearly still wants to impress her somehow, but he also, maybe because he’s the new kid in town, is a little bit interested, in joining up with the bad boys. He’s maybe at that right age, that rebellious age, and so there’s a little bit of that too about the going through the adolescence or going through this particular phase of manhood, and this is the challenge part of the manhood. Right. And he even says at one Todd, David says, how far will you go? Right? Right. And and that’s almost the key message in this movie. It’s it’s it’s all a big challenge to him.  So it does play with that a little bit. There’s less of the sex sexiness and more of this masculine adolescent, challenge going back and forth and which works with the title of the movie The Lost Boys. You know? Right. It’s taken from Peter Pan, and the Lost Boys who, who never grow up. In a way, David’s sort of the leader of these of these Lost Boys who aren’t gonna grow up because they’re immortal. It it’s really an interesting idea, and there’s a bit of bit of background behind how this movie came about too. Right?

Craig:  Yeah. You know, and that’s something that I, of course, I didn’t know at the time, and I I think I only read about fairly recently is that the original script was inspired by Peter Pan. I don’t know. I don’t have the scriptwriter’s name written down, but the original concept was he thought, you know, with the story of Peter Pan, if you strip it down to what, you know, its bare essentials, you’ve got these boys who never age, who never grow up, and who, you know, come and kind of seduce other children to come into their Craig. And and that was this movie was initially kind of supposed to be a dark Peter Pan story. In fact, I believe David’s name was eventually the leader of the vampires. His name was, originally going to be Peter. The 2 brothers were going to be, Michael and John.  John. Yeah. Michael and John, because those were the the young boys and Peter Pan. Lots of connections. I think the mom’s name was going to be Wendy, and and one of the only things that ended up surviving was, the dog’s name. Corey Haim has a dog in the movie. It’s named Nanook, and I had never put together the the dog in Peter Pan is named Nanny. And so there’s there’s all these connections.  When throughout the process of getting the movie made, the filmmakers decided that and originally, the vampires were supposed to be like 5th or 6th grade, kind of age. Yeah.

Todd:  It was almost gonna be like a Goonies vampire movie. Right.

Craig:  Yeah. And Richard Donner produced this, you know, the director of, of The Goonies, and and that was their original go. But somebody, you know, some executive or somebody thought that wasn’t cool enough. It wasn’t sexy enough.

Todd:  I think it was Joel Schumacher, the actual director, who came on and said, look. I’m not interested in this unless we change it and make it more, you know, make the boys older.

Craig:  Right. Right. And and so they did. And and, you know, in doing that, it it lost a lot of those connections, and and that’s fine. You know, the the movie is stands alone, without those elements perfectly fine, I think. But, you know, that would that would have been an interesting movie.

Todd:  Yeah. It would have been twist on Peter Pan. Well, it feels like the movie still left a little bit of an imprint of those earlier versions because you have Michael’s younger brother, Sam, who’s just almost just bears witness to this over the course of Michael’s transformation. And he has, piled up a little bit again in another, I guess, a younger sort of of asserting yourself way, with the 2 comic book, store owners played by Corey Feldman and Jameson Newlander, Edgar Frog and Alan Frog, and I

Craig:  guess they’re

Todd:  brothers. And and it’s a little silly, I think, and I think it’s really kind of a knock against the movie, the comedy that they really play. Corey Feldman, to be honest, his acting’s not that great in this movie, and and really neither is Corey Hames.

Craig:  Yeah. I it comes across as a little juvenile, and I I see what you’re saying with, you know, it it kinda not knowing what it wants to be because all of the stuff with, Michael and and David and the other vampires, that’s pretty straightforward horror stuff. But then you’ve got this other plot line with, you know, Corey Haim meeting the Craig brothers, Edgar and Allen, you know, wink, wink, Edgar Allen. And and that’s all played for the comedy. And really, most of Corey Haim’s stuff is played for the comedy. And when those two worlds collide, it I I don’t know. It’s it’s like it it just Todd yeah. And it doesn’t it’s like 2 puzzle pieces that just don’t quite fit.  Like like you’re trying to force them

Todd:  to fit together, and they just don’t quite fit. And we’ve seen, you know, really good horror and comedy even in this era work really well. I I keep going back to Fright Night. I I think Fright Night strikes as great balance between humor, but also is utterly terrifying at at moments. And I think it bounces between the 2 really well. This movie just doesn’t seem to do that. Michael goes out with the guys. Of course, he starts feeling ill.  There’s the big scene where they go out onto a bridge, and, they’re laughing, and the gang, led by led by David, 1 by 1 Todd to drop below the bridge and challenge Michael to fall down with him. And so he jumps down because he still hears their voices coming up through the fog, And they’re just hanging, you know, from this bridge, and then the train goes across the bridge. And the train’s rattling the bridge, and it seems like it’s very difficult for them to hold on. In the meantime, Michael’s terrified. These guys are laughing, and 1 by 1, they let go and tell him to let go. And, the only reason he lets go is because after they let go, he can still hear their voices through the fog. And I

Craig:  don’t know.

Todd:  Maybe it’s a little unclear. Maybe it was just getting too hard for him to hold on, but he finally does let go. He falls through the fog in what in what you thought was a really super, silly scene.

Craig:  Yeah. You know what? I don’t remember thinking it silly at the time. You know, this movie came out in 1987. I I’m sure I probably didn’t see it until a couple years after that. But even then, I would have only been, like, 10, 11, 12, you you know, probably when I first saw it. And I don’t remember thinking it cheesy at the time, so maybe we’ve just kinda gotten spoiled with the kinds of effects they can use now. But, you know, really, you know, this fall through the fog, it almost looks like, you know, they just put him in a room, filled it up with fog, and then just kind of told him to like thrash his upper body around, you know. That’s right.  It looks kinda goofy. And, you know, going back to the whole comedy thing, again, you know, I think it may just be our modern sensibility because I at the time it worked for me. You know, I liked it at the time. In fact, I think maybe at the time, I almost related more to the younger characters, probably because I was more their age, you know, the older characters were, you know, you know, the big kids, you know, that I didn’t really fit in with. So, you know, we can sit here and and both of us, you know, be a little bit critical of the movie, but I loved it. I loved it as a kid, and it it’s it almost pains me a little bit now to kinda go back and look at it with a more critical eye. So, you know, as much as I criticize it folks out there, be aware that, that it’s coming from a place of love because I, you know, as as eighties and cheesy as it may come across sometimes, I still like it and I would still and will, I’m sure, you know, keep watching it.

Todd:  Well, you know, yeah, you kinda bring up an interesting point there. I mean, I guess having those elements, where they’re back in the house and the younger brother is quizzing the older brother and thinks he’s a vampire and is trying all the silly stuff on him and is going back to the comic book guys who are like, you just need to stake them. You just need to stake them. That part, being able to relate better to maybe that aspect when you’re younger, helps the movie to bridge a bit of a gap a generation so that it it can appeal both to the older of the teenagers, it can appeal to the preadolescents, maybe in the audience or the adolescents in the audience whose parents might have taken them to see it.

Craig:  I think so. And and I think that the movie, you know, I I think that the audience that they were going for was, you know, a young audience, you know, teenagers, adolescents, you know, I I’m sure adults enjoyed it as well, but it it really seems targeted towards a younger audience. And and that scene that you’re talking about, you know, Michael comes home and and he is, you know, starting to experience these symptoms, I guess, of being a vampire, and he’s really sensitive to light, and, he’s really tired during the day or whatnot. And, you know, that that worries his mom and she tries to talk to him, but that doesn’t really go very far. And it’s it’s then, you know, we’ve kind of left out the and there’s there’s lots of these little side stories going on too, you know, we just get it kind of jumps from scene to scene keeping us up with people. The mom has gotten a job at a video store. She’s working for this guy, named Max who’s the owner of the video store, and and they’re kind of starting this romantic relationship. And she wants he he’s invited her out to dinner and she wants to go.  She asks Michael to stay home, with Sam, and he reluctantly he doesn’t want to, but he reluctantly agrees. And then there’s this goofy scene with Corey Haim taking a bubble bath, and he’s, like, singing this goofy song. And and meanwhile, Michael is downstairs and it’s like his vampire impulses are overcoming him, like he he can’t control it and he kind of vamps out, You know, we we his face changes, and and he starts to head up, and it it looks like he’s going to attack his brother. But the, the dog, Nanook, senses something is off. And, as Michael bursts into the room, at the same time, Sam goes down underneath the water, and so he doesn’t see Michael in his vampire state. But Nanook, the dog, jumps up and attacks Michael, which, you know, Sam hears that and comes up out of the water and and they start talking and and Michael says  Who’s protecting you? Look at your reflection in the mirror. Your creature of the night, Michael. Just like out of a comic book.

Clip:  You’re a vampire, Michael. My own brother, a goddamn sucking vampire.

Craig:  Oh, you wait till mom finds out, buddy.  The suggestion here and and the Craig brothers who’ve already warned, Sam, about vampires in Santa Carla, you know, they they explain later that, you don’t become a full vampire until you make your first kill. So Michael is not yet a full vampire. He’s only a half vampire, which is why he can be out in the day, why his, reflection is still partly there. And then, you know, as soon as that happens, Sam calls the Craig brothers and it’s just there are places where the comedy is goofy, but still even today there are some of the things that just cracked me up. Like, he’s on he’s on the phone with the Craig brothers and and they’re asking him all these questions.  You did the right thing by calling us.  Does your brother sleep a lot?  Yeah. All day. Does the sunlight freak him out? He wears sunglasses in the house. Bad breath, long fingernails.

Clip:  Yes. Fingernails are a bit longer.

Craig:  He always had bad breath, though.  You know, just stupid jokes, but, I I I found myself, laughing regardless of how, immature some of the humor may have been.

Todd:  Yeah. And then there’s a later scene too, where is it is it later that night or when is it when he gets swept out the window?

Craig:  I I think it’s that same night. You know, all of this only takes place over a few days.

Todd:  That’s true.

Craig:  Yeah. I think it’s it’s later that night, because the mom is still on her date, you know, after this whole thing where, you know, he almost attacked his brother, I guess, Michael goes to sleep. And when he when he wakes up, he’s floating on the ceiling, and and it’s like he can’t control it or doesn’t yet know how to control it and so he kind of flies out the or floats out the window, and, Sam is on the phone with his mom. The mom has called from her date to check-in, and and Sam sees Michael floating outside the window and he starts freaking out on the phone screaming, help. He’s a vampire. He’s gonna get me. He’s gonna get me. And of course the mom’s freaking out and she has to run out on her date, but, you know, eventually Michael says, you know, Sammy helped me.  I’m your brother. And and he does. He helps him in and and, that’s kind of where their whole quest to figure this out begins. You know, how how are we gonna get out of this, bad situation?

Todd:  Yeah. And they get their information all from comic books. And so this is their

Craig:  main goal. Books are all strikingly accurate. Everything can be explained by the comic books. At one point, Sam is is reading one of those horror comics and it’s talking about the hounds of hell, and right after we and it shows, you know, this ferocious dog. Right after that, Sam and, his mom, Lucy, go to Max, the video store owner. They go to his house during the day. The mom says that she wants to drop off a bottle of wine to apologize because she had just run out on the date. She hadn’t, you know, she hadn’t even explained to him what was going on.  She had just run out. And, as as she goes to try to deliver the wine up to the house, Max’s dog, Thorn, growls at and starts to chase her really viciously and and almost attacks her. And of course, you know, that that gets Sam thinking, know, that must be one of the hounds of hell. He must be guarding Max. So maybe Max is a vampire and

Todd:  Yeah. Well, because because Edgar and Alan are saying that there’s there’s there’s always a leader. There’s a master vampire.

Craig:  A head vampire. Right.

Todd:  And if you kill that guy, then all the rest of them, you know, turn back to normal or die or something. And so they’re piecing 2 and 2 together and thinking, oh, well, it must be Max because he’s the video store owner. The video store doesn’t open until late.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  And goes through the nights, and he wasn’t there, and he has the dog and all this stuff. And so they decide they’re gonna set up, like, a test for him while, their mom, Lucy, has him over to her house. Right. She decides she’s gonna make something in order to make up for running out on the date, and the boys are gonna be there too. And so then you get another one of these super comical scenes where the boys have, prepared, they splash water on him during the the the, meal. They’ve prepared Parmesan cheese, but they’ve mixed a whole bunch of minced garlic in with it. Right. Ask him if he wants to put it on his, on his Spaghetti.  Spaghetti. And, they show a mirror at him. And it’s just this little comedy of of errors where they’re slowly sabotaging the dinner, and everybody’s like, what’s going on? What’s going on? In the meantime, none of this stuff is working. Right. He could he could eat the garlic. They see his reflection in the mirror. He’s not fazed by the water. Right.  Nothing bothers him. And and it’s it’s again, it’s one of those totally really silly moments in a movie that then follows up, I believe, with Michael searching out Todd again, finding her in the lair, and them having a a like a like, this long eighties, like, sex scene.

Craig:  Right. And it’s I don’t even remember. I the the movie’s probably what is it rated? Do you know? Is it PG 13? It’s it’s r. Is it r? Okay. Yeah. It is. It’s it’s a very soft r. I mean, there there is there are a couple of, fairly gory scenes.  At some point, the vampire gang takes Michael out. I think that’s maybe a little bit later, but yeah. This, this sex scene, it’s it’s so I mean, it it looks like a music video. I mean, it’s there’s there’s very little skin, you know, it it you know, they’re not really doing anything more than making out kind of under, like, this gossamer, you know, bed thing.

Todd:  As the camera swoops around slowly.

Craig:  Right. Right. It’s very foggy and the music is playing and, it’s it’s funny to me. I didn’t realize that it was R. I guess, we find out, soon after that. Todd comes and finds Michael at his house and Sam’s there Todd. And she says, you know, that that was supposed that meeting, our meeting last night, or earlier that night or whatever, you were supposed to be my first. You were supposed to be my first kill.  And that’s kinda where we get the whole concept of Todd and Michael and there’s a little boy, in the group too, Laddie. Just

Todd:  kind of shows up. Yeah.

Craig:  I mean, he’s there the whole time. I I never knew, as a kid who this little boy was. At at one point in the movie, Dianne Wiest puts a, carton of milk, in the refrigerator And just for a split second, you see that Laddie’s face is on the carton of milk. So he’s a missing child. I read online that, it it Star is very protective of Laddie throughout, and so I always kind of thought maybe that he was like her little brother or something, but what I read online was that no, he’s no relation. It’s just, they almost got him for Star almost as like a pet, like a companion. Oh. But but they you know, Star, Michael, and Laddie are just half vampires until they kill somebody, and if they can control themselves and keep themselves from killing someone, and if they can kill the head vampire, then they can go back to normal.  The only gory scene that that I can really think of off the top of my head is, at one point, I think it’s right around this point in the movie, Michael and the other vampires take, excuse me. David and the other vampires take Michael out, I guess kind of for his true initiation. They crash this beach party. It’s like skinheads partying on the beach or something, and this is the first time that Michael sees all of the vampires turn fully and they attack these skinheads on the beach, and that gets pretty graphic. There’s one image that always, when I was a kid, always freaked me out. One of the vampires, I don’t remember if it’s David or one of the others, grabs one of the skinheads and takes a bite out of his skull like he’s taking a bite out of an apple and and the blood just sprays everywhere. And even as a lover of horror as a kid, that part always kinda had me hiding behind my fingers a little bit.

Todd:  Well, it’s brutal, but it’s really stylishly shot where you really just see snippets and quick flashes of what’s going on, sometimes even in shadow, and the blood all had yeah. The the blood kinda sprays, but it’s a little thin, and it’s a little fast. I I thought that was a truly terrifying moment in the movie. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly didn’t even imagine we were gonna get you know, that happens, oh, a good at least halfway through.

Craig:  Yes. Yeah.

Todd:  And up to a point, I was wondering, are are these vampires even gonna gonna have fangs? You know? Right. Are we gonna even see them? Is it gonna be that hip that this is the fangless vampire movie? Right. But, no, they go full on right there. And it’s interesting to see Michael struggle with that. He doesn’t want to kill, but at the same time, he’s feeling the urges. And you wonder if he’s going to succumb, and he doesn’t. It’s really a powerful moment, you know, in in the movie. I really enjoyed

Craig:  it.  Yeah. It it is a good moment, and and, you know, still there’s more of that seduction. You know, Michael, he vamps out too. Yeah. I I keep saying vamp out, you know, like that’s something that people say, you know? I I this, this this movie, was, the first use of that phrase and it kinda has gotten picked up, in pop culture. They used it in Buffy the Vampire Slayer all the time. And, I I think it’s it’s worth noting that, you know, when they do vamp out, you know, the makeup is really good. You know, they’re they’re scary vampires, and and, the design of the vampires in, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which is one of my favorite shows ever.  It was you know, I I think they clearly took some inspiration from these vampires. But that scene is good because it’s more of the seduction. Michael doesn’t give in. He kind of falls they’re like in a tree or something, and and he kind of falls out of the tree off down this sand dune, and the other vampires in this great image come walking up over the sand dune, you know, lit from behind, and come walking down to him, and and David says So  now you know what we are, and now you know what you are. You’ll never grow old, Michael, and you’ll never die, but you must feed.  It’s a seductive thing. You know, that there’s that’s that’s saying a lot. You’ll never grow old and you’ll never die. There’s just this one little one little glitch.  You gotta  you gotta eat people.

Todd:  Well, you know, and you gotta hand it to Kiefer Sutherland. He in one of his, first big screen roles, he is fantastic. He is. When he’s not vamping out, he’s he’s freaky. He just seems like a character with so many different layers to him.

Craig:  And and he’s a great actor. Again, you know, this cast is really pretty impressive. Again, you know, the young people, a lot of them at the beginning of their careers, but many of them went on to do great stuff. Kiefer Kiefer Sutherland’s gone on to do great stuff. He’s he’s really baby faced in this movie. I mean, he looks really young, but at the same time, he’s really got that bad boy dangerous thing going down. He’s a sexy guy in this movie. Yes.  Even as a even as a bad guy, you know, he’s a he’s a cool guy even though he’s the villain. You know? He’s he’s badass.

Todd:  Yeah. And and that really adds a lot to it. I think the casting, really saved this movie for being, well, really made this more of an iconic movie Right. Than it might have been otherwise. Right. Was it really successful when it came out? It was a pretty big deal, wasn’t it?

Craig:  Or was it so. I mean, I don’t I don’t remember. Again, I was just a kid, so I don’t really remember. But, I think it was pretty successful, and, you know, clearly there’s been a cult following. I mean, this is movie that came out in 1987 and you still see references to it all over the place or at least I do. You know, if you frequent any, horror forums or websites or whatever, you know, I see reference to this all the time. So it it’s it’s left its mark.

Todd:  And so, basically we come to a big showdown toward the end, don’t we? Yeah.

Craig:  I mean this is what it comes down to is okay, so they realize we gotta if if we’re gonna get out of this, we gotta find the head vampire. Michael knows where their lair is, so, he and and Sam and the Craig brothers, steal the grandpa’s car and, go there during the day, where presumably all the vampires are asleep, and they go in and, you know, I always, even as a kid, thought this was funny, you know. They go into the lair, and they’re, like, shouting back and forth to one another. Like, there’s nothing covert or sly about this at all.

Todd:  That’s right. And before that, of course, there’s that, again, one of those silly scenes where they’re running around gathering all the material.

Craig:  Yes.

Todd:  And they’re going and filling their squirt. They barge into a church when a couple’s having a wedding. Yeah. And everybody in the church just goes silent and turns around and stares at them while they fill their squirt guns with holy water from the receptacles at the front. And then they run out, and everyone just looks like,

Craig:  Right. It’s silly. You know, it’s a a classic eighties montage with the eighties music in the background. It’s it’s pretty funny.

Todd:  Yeah. But

Craig:  the so they get there and and, the Craig Brothers are all gung ho, and they go into you know, they they figure that the vampires must be somewhere deep in in the caves or or whatever, and they go looking for them and they’re looking for them in coffins and they they don’t find them in coffins. Instead, they find them hanging from the ceiling like bats, which I thought was really cool.

Todd:  Yeah, it’s very cool.

Craig:  And David, wears this big black, I don’t know if it’s leather or what, like this big black trench coat throughout. And so when he’s hanging upside down, the trench coat is kind of draped down around him almost like batwing’s, cool image. They they don’t know, you know, they’ve just got to start somewhere, so they say, okay, we’ll start with this one. And they go to stake one of the smaller vampires. I don’t know his name. It’s it’s the one from Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure, not Keanu Reeves, the other one.

Todd:  Oh, yeah.

Craig:  And they they stake him and blood just shoots out like it’s spraying all over. But it’s not like normal blood, like it’s sparkly like glitter blood. It’s the

Todd:  lamb rock blood. Totally. Right.

Craig:  Right. And it you know, they’re all the boys, the Craig Brothers and Sam are just drenched in blood, but the vampire screams as as he’s dying and that wakes the other vampires up. And so the boys start running And it’s almost like they kinda have to crawl up a shaft. And this was the part where you kinda get the suggestion of them flying. David takes off after them. And as the boys are kind of laboriously making their way up the shaft, David just kind of glides up it, and grabs, Corey Haim’s ankle and starts pulling him down. The Craig brothers are pulling him up, and and they’re able to pull him up far enough, so that, David’s hand gets pulled into the sunlight where it erupts in flames. So he lets go and pulls it back, and then it’s this great shot where it’s just a close-up of his vampire face, and he’s kind of screaming in pain at first and then he stops and his face kind of calms a little bit into just this, you know, rage.  One tear streams down his face and he just says, tonight. And I read that, that tear was not scripted. It was a total accident. You know, he’s got these these crazy contacts in for his vampire makeup, and they were irritating his eyes so much, that it it just made him Craig. And it was just a lucky coincidence, and they kept it, and it really worked well for the scene. And that’s one of the scenes, you know, that it’s it’s really scary. It’s very ominous, and, I remember that being one of the ones that I remember a lot from when I was a kid.

Todd:  Oh my gosh. That shot’s incredibly cool. I at that moment, my heart just kinda left for a moment. Mhmm. It’s so good. I mean, what a happy accident.

Craig:  Right. Right.  And then that leads up subtle thing.  Yeah. Yeah. And and that leads up to the final showdown. I mean, we get to the climax where, the the guys well and meanwhile, Michael has gotten Laddie and Todd out of the lair. They they all, you know, pile in the grandpa’s car and head back to the house. The mom has another date with Max, so she’s gonna be gone. They they somehow trick the the grandpa into being gone, and they kind of prepare themselves for, you know, what they know is gonna happen. These vampires are gonna come after them that night, and that’s exactly what happens.  So they they kind of set up some traps, like, they they put holy water they fill the bathtub with water and put holy water in it, and they they put a bunch of garlic in that. They’ve got all kinds of weapons set up, and they just basically wait for this siege which then happens. You know, night falls and and here come the vampires, and it’s the final showdown.

Todd:  Yeah. It’s it’s like the the end of a Nightmare on Elm Street where they have all these traps set. Again, montage setting setting all that up. And, sure enough, the vampires come, and, they dispatch them 1 by 1. 1 comes in, to the bath room. You’re mine.

Craig:  You killed Marco. Yeah. You’re next. You’re next. Now we’re, like, doing work, boys. My holy water, dead breath.  They splash some, holy water up on his face and it burns and it’s a cool effect and, you know, he’s all scarred from that. But then the vampire is still coming after them, but Nanook, the dog heroically, comes in and and jumps up on the vampire and knocks him into the the tub where he kind of explodes. And as as they were preparing for all of this, Corey Feldman’s character had said no 2 vampires go the same way. You know, some explode, some implode, some go out screaming, some go quietly, and that really foreshadows the deaths of all the vampires, to come. This first one who dies like an atom bomb. What was that? He goes

Todd:  out like an atom bomb.

Craig:  Right. Right. Not only does he kind of explode in the bathtub, but like it explodes all of the plumbing in the whole house, and it’s, you know, water spraying everywhere. And then the next one, attacks. They they all split up. They somehow, not intentionally, but they all get split up in the house. So Corey Haim, is left to to battle the next one kind of by himself, and he’s got these arrows, and he he shoots the vampire with an arrow, but he misses the heart on the first, shot, but then he shoots again and he he gets it and, it it it launches the vampire back into the stereo which then comes on and, it’s almost like the vampire is being electrocuted while he’s being staked and the loud rock music is playing. And, once he’s dead, Corey Haim.  It’s so cornball. But I just thought it was so funny when I was a kid. He’s like,  death by stereo. Just  the goofiest silliest eighties jokes but, my my 12 year old self got a kick out of it.

Todd:  Yeah. My, 38 year old self thought it was pretty silly. That’s one part that doesn’t hold up very well.

Craig:  Oh, no. It’s totally cheesy. I don’t I don’t care.  I still love it. Yeah. It’s okay.  Then the, Laddie, the little boy kind of vamps out for a second and and the Craig brothers kinda start to go after him, but Todd protects him. And then we’re we’re down to the final battle, which is the battle between, Michael and David. And and this this is the only place where the flying really comes they have their whole battle, in the air, like in this, you know, big open, living area in the house. And that I thought it was pretty cool, pretty effective, especially, you know, for what they had available as far as effects go at the time.

Todd:  Yeah. It’s really neat, and it’s a great climactic moment where Michael now suddenly has to give into his rage. Only this time, instead of giving into his rage, towards feeding on an innocent victim, he’s turning that towards David. And I thought thematically, that was really, really good. Yeah. It’s it’s fighting fire with fire that really puts them on uneven playing field right here, and you’re really wondering who’s gonna, you know, who’s gonna survive at the end.

Craig:  Right. And it it all happens very quickly. Michael gets a Todd of David in the air and and pushes him back towards, the wall where there are, like, some antlers. The the the grandpa that they live with, does taxidermy. So there’s all this taxidermy all around, but it it misses. David just hits the wall and he says you missed or something like that. And David, then starts pushing Michael back towards this the taxidermy room, which is just full, of antlers and stuff. And it almost looks like like David is gonna win, but at the last second Michael grabs hold of the door Craig and is able to turn David around and he impales David on the antlers.  Now when I was a kid, I always had a big problem with this because lore, typical lore, says that you have to kill a vampire with a stake through the heart. Now usually it’s a wooden stake. Sometimes if you go back, you know, even further, silver stakes worked in some stories, but antlers are neither wood nor silver. And so I I I never really understood why David died from this injury, And he dies really quietly, you know, his face goes back to kind of his human look, and and it’s almost sad, like you almost kind of see Yeah. The little bit of humanity, in David as as he’s dying. What I what

Todd:  I go ahead. And with Kiefer Sutherland having that kind of boyish look again

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  You know, it’s almost like he’s going back to a boy. He does have a it’s touching Right.

Craig:  In a

Todd:  way that you wouldn’t expect. Right. He’s a victim at that you know, you realize he’s a victim just as much as anybody else at that point.

Craig:  Right. Right. Exactly. What I read online was that initially in the script and and when they filmed it, it was meant to be kind of left open because they had already planned a sequel and they had planned on bringing David back for the sequel, so he wasn’t supposed to be really dead. But of course the sequel the sequel was supposed to be The Lost Girls, and it was supposed to, you know, obviously just be kind of a spin off, but David was gonna appear. Of course it it never materialized, But so anyway, within the context of the movie as a standalone film, he’s dead. But Todd and Michael and Laddie are unchanged. You know, they they now have killed all the vampires that they know of, but apparently, they have not yet gotten the head vampire because nothing has changed.  Mhmm.

Todd:  And, of course, who’s the only one who that could possibly be is, Max. And, sure enough, Max, Max appears. Did Max just come in?

Craig:  Max and the Max and the mom were on a date.

Todd:  That’s right. Max and the mom were on a date.

Craig:  I don’t remember. I I think that we got a little bit of a scene where, Lucy was telling Max, you know, I’m worried about my boys. And it almost seems like they had come home to check on the boys. And, of course, they get there, you know, right as everything has ended, and the house is a wreck. Everything’s destroyed. Lucy comes in. She’s freaking out. Sam’s trying to calm her down.  Meanwhile, Max walks into the room and and sees David’s dead body and doesn’t immediately freak out as you would expect one might upon encountering a dead body. Instead, he turns around and walks back in and says, I’m sorry, Lucy. This is all my fault. And then he explains, I he says, I thought he says, my boys misbehaved, and that’s where they figure out that he’s, the head vampire. And he explains and and, you know, we talked about this that I don’t know. It’s kind of loose storytelling. But, he explains that all along his goal was to get Lucy. He wanted Lucy.  And so to do that, he thought that if he were able to draw her boys into the fray that then she would have no choice, but to join them and and join him. It’s,

Todd:  it’s so convoluted. I mean, it it’s so convoluted. It requires so much, chance, but also, I just don’t get it. I mean, she was falling for him anyway.

Craig:  Right. You

Todd:  know? And so I don’t see how, he couldn’t have just gone directly for her. Right. It was working just fine.

Craig:  Right. Well, I mean, I guess, you know, when it comes down to it, he could have just taken her by force, and then she would have been a vampire and wouldn’t have had any choice in the matter, and that may have been the end of it. I guess what we’re supposed to think is that his reasoning was that she would, you know, she wouldn’t wanna leave her boys behind, in order to be with him. But like you said, I mean, it’s it’s pretty convoluted. I mean, he could’ve just taken her if that’s what he really wanted.

Todd:  Well and then and then we get the even more silly, way that David that Max is dispatched, which is suddenly out of nowhere, deus ex machina.

Craig:  Oh, god. Yeah. Definition. Yeah.

Todd:  Drives crashes through the house at just the right moment with a truck loaded with giant stakes, which he had been sharpening up his fence posts earlier

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  Right through the heart of, of Max, the body of Max.

Craig:  Right.  It is so goofball. Oh, it’s totally corny. Yeah.

Todd:  And and then he gets out, and he surveys the damage, walks to the fridge, grabs one of his root beers out of there, and says the goofy ending line.

Craig:  One thing about living in Santa Carla, I never could stomach. All the damn vampires.  While Lucy and Sam and and, Michael and Todd just kind of look on. Yeah. I mean it is it’s it’s Todd you know it ends really quickly like you said deus ex machina. It’s exactly that. I don’t know. It it never bothered me, and and that that final joke, you know, I always it’s it’s very wink wink at the audience, but I I just it always made me smile and still kinda does. I don’t know the name of the guy. Oh, no.  I do. The the grandpa was played by Bernard Hughes, and I don’t know what else he’s been in, but he’s a totally recognizable guy, you know, always plays this kind of crotchety grandfather type and, he doesn’t have much to do in the movie, but those little one he zings these little one liners every once in a while and he’s funny. But, yeah, I mean that’s that’s it in a nutshell. You know, the way we’ve talked about it it it I don’t know. I feel like we’re not giving it credit where where credit is due. You know, there’s a lot of good stuff about the movie. You know, the the vampire effects, the makeup is is excellent, I think. There’s there’s some

Todd:  go ahead. And I feel like in the vampire parts of the movie, it’s really stylish, and it’s really well done. I feel like if you had taken out some of the silliness, the attempts to be goofy, which I think are really just the vestiges of that earlier draft of the script when it was gonna be a little more Goonies esque, if you strip that out of it, or toned it way the heck down, the movie wouldn’t be, I think, so jarring. It would still be dated, but it wouldn’t it would it would maintain a consistent sense of style throughout. It would be bouncing you back from one side to the other. And I think that works in some movies. Just for me, here and now, it didn’t work. But I think you have a Todd point there.  If I had seen this when I was a kid, when it came out, I probably would have the different perspective on it that you have. I absolutely would’ve.

Craig:  I think so. And I, you know, I I really think that they had a specific target audience in mind, and I think that that target audience was, you know, adolescent, teenage, 2 teenage boys. And, you know, at the time, I think it it had to have. You know, it had to have resonated with people our age. Otherwise, why would we still be talking about it? Why would we still be seeing imagery from it, all over the place? It clearly had some impact and, you know, it it launched, careers, for some of these young actors. So, I still appreciate it for what it what it is. There were a couple of sequels that came out in the 2000. The first sequel was intended to be kind of a a vehicle for a comeback for Corey Haim and Corey Feldman.  Eventually, when it when they got around to making the film, Corey Haim was was struggling so much with addiction and and his health that he wasn’t really able to participate. And so, Corey Feldman, was really, you know, it was more for him. Corey Haim doesn’t even really appear in the movie. There are some, bonus scenes or maybe there’s a post Craig scene, where Corey Corey Haim is a vampire and he and Corey Feldman kind of face off. You don’t really you only see the beginning of it. You don’t see what happens. And then, sadly, tragically, Corey Haim died. I believe he was, you know, I don’t even remember how old he was.  He was young, far too young to pass away, but he passed away before the second sequel came out. And, I saw both sequels. I don’t remember really anything about them. They were very not memorable. I think Kiefer Sutherland’s, younger brother played the lead vampire in one of them, but, definitely, you know, nothing that you would need to run out and see right away, which, you know, it’s it’s it’s too bad. You know, they’re trying to capitalize on on the name or whatever and it’s it didn’t work, but, we still got this one to go back to at least if we need a little cheesy eighties fun.

Todd:  We do, and you know what? I think I will go back to it for that reason alone. Sometimes you just want a little cheesy eighties fun. Yeah. You wanna hear some INXS playing in the background.

Craig:  Absolutely. Absolutely.

Todd:  Well, we’re still here. We’re still together. Even though we might be half a world apart, we are gonna continue coming to you. So please continue to, check us out on iTunes and on Stitcher. You can find our page on Facebook. Leave us a message and let us know what you think of this episode. Check out our previous episodes, and give us some ideas and thoughts for, movies we should see coming up. Until that time, I’m Todd.  And I’m Craig. With 2 Guys and a Chainsaw.