The Woman In Black

The Woman In Black

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We were less-than-impressed with Daniel Radcliffe’s first film after the Harry Potter series, but it may be good for those who prefer the gothic and predictable.

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The Woman In Black (2012)

Episode 5, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw

Todd: Welcome to another edition of Two Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd. I’m Craig. And today we are on our third week of a Halloween horror and we kicked it off with a woman in black. Let’s say 2012, Daniel 

Craig: Craig film, Daniel Radcliffe. Get your Daniels straight.

Todd: That’d be a whole different movie. I think that’s a good point. All right, this is a 2012 Daniel Radcliffe movie. Um, the first one that he did since Harry Potter. So this was kind of a, an interesting choice, a foray out of, uh, sort of the kid soup. Well, I guess from one type of supernatural fantasy into another kind of supernatural horror, I’m still taking place in Britain, still taking place in the Misty Moore’s of, uh, of castles or houses up on Hills and things like that.

So I guess it’s not too far out of his, uh, Ballywick after 

Craig: all at that point, you know, there’s a lot going on that is actually really reminiscent of Harry Potter. Uh, you’ve got, uh, a train ride in the beginning to a remote location. You’ve got a, a big mansion covered in old timey portraits that I expected to start talking or moving about at any moment.

Um, so not too big of a leap, really, as far as. Tone is concerned, I guess, 

Todd: I guess you got to play it safe when you’re taking your step out into the, into the real world. Again, it’s, it’s interesting. And, you know, um, when the credits came up, I didn’t know much about this film beforehand. When the credits came up, I noticed that it was a hammer horror production, right.

You know, hammer being the sort of quintessential British horror production studio that started out in the sixties, maybe even late fifties and then brought us. Great classics of Dracula with, with, with Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing. Um, some of actually my favorite movies, just because they would come on on Saturday afternoons, you know, after the, during MUN cartoons were done or something like that.

And that was really how I got my horror 

Craig: fix. Yeah. And you can see, I mean, I can see similarities between those kind of old-school films and this, I mean, it’s, it’s. Uh, very Gothic, a little bit slow paced. Uh, it’s a slow build. It focuses more on the suspense. You can see that in some of the earlier humor pictures 

Todd: too.

Yeah. The slow pace of it was definitely something. Again, one of those things you don’t find as much there often. It’s not, it’s not really a modern movie. Uh, this movie. Reminded me a lot of the movies. My wife really likes the Vincent Price films, like the ed ground Poe movies that Roger Corman did, uh, the fall of the house of the usher, the pit and the pendulum especially reminded me of the terror.

Craig: I’m not familiar with it. 

Todd: The terror was one that he shot after they had shot another one. You know, Roger Corman was really good about delivering movies under budget and under time. And he would often slap together a script real quick and take the actors that he already had under contract and the sets that he already had built and the crew that was still under contract and, and, and could be paid for another few weeks and he quickly whipped together another movie.

And sometimes that second movie would actually do better than the movie they were shooting before. Interesting. The terror was one that was actually Jack Nicholson. It was one of his first large film roles, um, that he cast him in. And it started out very much like this, uh, where this guy leaves his family and goes to this far off.

A place where there’s by the ocean, a large mansion of sorts that nobody goes up to. And whatever, of course, in his case, I think there actually was somebody living there in this case, Daniel Radcliffe’s character is coming in and there’s nobody living there. He’s actually settling the estate of a woman.

But you know, it was, it was with, with the water surrounding it, it just had the feel of about 15 either hammer, horror films or, um, AIP pictures. Roger Corman, AIP, 

Craig: pictures that I’ve seen. Well, yeah, no. It’s as far as set pieces go, I mean, you were talking about, uh, the marshlands and whatnot. The film is beautiful to look at in that respect, the set pieces are gorgeous.

You know, you’ve got this big Gothic mansion. That is just your very typical haunted house. It’s got everything you could want in a haunted house there. Uh, it’s remote it’s on these very creepy. Moore’s all surrounded by. Fog things are going bump in the night, all over the place, as far as atmosphere and, and, and sets and cinematography.

I thought that it was a pretty beautiful film to look at. I don’t know 

Todd: how much more I have to say. I, as far as positives are concerned, you know, when after we finished the movie, we kind of looked at each other. Didn’t we, we know how we’re going to feel about this. I think I can read, read you right here.

Well, I think the slow burn, um, has a lot to do with it again, it’s very classic. The other thing about it is this has been done. 15 times before. Yes. 

Craig: Yes. You’ve seen this movie and it’s not, you know, there’s not much to make it stand out from your typical haunted house movie, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I love a good haunted house. I love a good haunted house movie. I, I just think, and, and maybe it’s just my modern sensibilities. Um, maybe I’m. Uh, I don’t know. Maybe I want too much. Maybe I don’t appreciate the slow burn so much, but the whole time I was watching it, especially for the first hour, which felt longer than an hour for the first hour.

I was really thinking that this would have been more aptly titled Harry Potter and the spooky walking tour, because. That’s really all that happened for the first hour. Harry Potter walked from one location through a spooky hallway to another spooky location where something spooky would happen. There would be a jump scare.

He wouldn’t react at all. And then he would creepily walk somewhere else. And. I, it just, it got to be a little bit much for me after a while I thought, nah, we could have, if we took all the spooky walking around out, I think the movie would have been probably more about 30, 45 minutes, which may have been a more suitable runtime in my opinion.

Todd: Yeah. Um, a lot of people aren’t going to have a lot of patients for this I myself was, you know, could have been falling asleep. If I had been more tired, it starts again, starts off like so many of these real sad guy. Um, he’s clearly, you know, you learned that his wife, his wife had died in childbirth with his only son.

Um, he’s not smiling. His son draws a picture of him and he’s like, why do I look so sad? 

Craig: That’s me. That’s nanny not smarmy. Let’s see. What about look so sad. That’s all your face looks like. 

Todd: Oh, that’s how you are, daddy. Your face is set all the time and he’s going to go away to prove himself. And he can’t bring his son with him, uh, because the, uh, The firm, uh, looks like it must be a legal firm legal firm that sends him along, uh, to settle up the papers of this widow who left this large mansion 

Craig: across England.

And his boss sends him off and says, this is your life. Last warning. I have no idea what he did wrong in the past, but apparently he’s walking on thin ice here. And this is it. If he doesn’t take care of this, then 

Todd: the S the, the sort of lucky gave him almost make you think that he was wondering that too.

Of course. He just spends most of the movie just sort of staring off into space, but like, uh, okay. What did I do? Alright, I guess I’ll go. And he goes, and this town is his soup, you know, it’s the same sort of deal. Um, everybody’s trying to sorta keep him from going to the house. Um, the guy has contacted there, tries to usher him away, says here I grabbed the papers.

Here you go. Uh, take off. I made a, catch-all found that there was no need for you to make the Chinese. Could have sent all the relevant documents to London in any event, you’ll find all the legal papers in here. It’s official 

Craig: tells me you’re leaving today. Not and just taking care of all, Mrs. Grapplers paperwork, all in there.

As I said no at the house until there’s quite a substantial amount, I don’t expect to be finished until 

Todd: Friday, at least. And he finagles away based on this kind person that he met on the train, um, named Sam daily. Um, he and his wife sort of take him in when the end won’t and when this guy won’t take him to the demand, to the mansion, he drives him across the more, which it must be said that this mansion is only accessible at certain times of day, because the water is so high that it basically the tide washes 

Craig: out the road.

Yeah. And it is really cool to look at it. I mean, that, that marshland, that surrounds you. It almost looks like an Island, you know, in, in this Marsh and it’s, it’s the estate, you’ve got the big mansion, you’ve got a family graveyard plot. The, uh, Marsh provides an excellent atmosphere. There’s always fog, you know, it’s often dark and stormy.

Um, so it’s very typical, spooky Halloween kind of fair. 

Todd: And, um, you know, it, didn’t it remind you a little bit, uh, I was thinking about, I think it was young Frankenstein. One of the movies where they just make fun of the fact that everywhere you go, everybody’s freaked out and everybody’s scared and doesn’t want, Oh, the haunting by Steven Spielberg kind of started out that way too, where they kind of made fun of everybody, except this movie was playing it totally straight.

And so it did get old after a while 

Craig: the, you know, the townspeople don’t want him there, they want him to leave and trying to keep him from going to the house. Please don’t go back to El Nash house. Y camps. 

Todd: You said tap is sewn

Craig: to him. They’re all but hostile towards him. Um, but of course, you know, it’s his last chance he’s got to take this job. So he’s determined to get out there. And one of the things that I was kind of impressed with and that I thought was a good indicator that this was going to be, you know, we’re going to keep things moving is as soon as he gets there, The lady in black or the woman in black appears.

I mean, it’s not like there’s some big buildups to her appearance you see, or right away. And then, uh, they hit you with a jump scare right away and I’m thinking, okay, good. We’re going to get right into the action. And then it’s another 45 minutes of that. Like every five minutes you see something spooky and then there’s a jump scare.

And then, uh, the, the main guy Arthur, the whole time, all the way up and through to the end, it’s not like it was just little things. Kind of bumping around the house. It was stuff that was obviously supernatural and haunted. It’s not like he was just kind of catching little glimpses of the ghost. He full out, sees her several times.

There’s all these weird things happen around the house and he just kind of. It happens. And he just kinda shrugs his shoulders and keeps looking around. I’m like, what is it going to 

Todd: take? You know, I didn’t get it. This guy has a stomach of steel. He could just walk around with this candle and investigate and crazy things happened to him.

Mean we’ll keep investigating crazy things will happen. He’s not running screaming. I actually started to make a list. I do too. You really have all of the cliche. Oh my God. I do exact same thing. Yes. All right. So, uh, we got a rocking chair that rocks and then stops. Um, we have hand prints, uh, appearing on the window, twisting doorknobs that, uh, stop, and then start again, uh, the dog barking at something that’s not there, a music box playing with the music that happened a couple of times.

And I called that denied. They call that creepy. 

Craig: That’s the thing like, as I was making this list, I was like, Oh my God, if there was just a creepy clown in here, every horrible. Or every horror cliche would be covered. And then there it is. Creepy clown creepy. Okay, good. You got it 

Todd: along with the creepy monkeys.

So it was a little monkey shines in there too. And the footprints 

Craig: bloody footprints or wet footprints or whatever. What else did I miss? Anything that you got about all of mine? Uh, spooky ghost kids. Yes. Um, do people appearing in the window? Slimy door handles. Yeah, I think, uh, you know, and then just of course your, your candles getting blown out on out strange bumps, uh, strange noises, et cetera, but yeah, you got it all.

I mean, if that’s. I, it, it almost felt as though they had a checklist and kind of checking them off. Got it, got it. All right. What’s next. You have Harry Potter walk down that hall and we’ll see what we can do down there. And this was 

Todd: sort of the, the family friendly horror movie, maybe. I mean, there’s no blood really.

There’s no Gore, it’s all ghost. It’s, it’s a classic ghost story and that’s probably the problem. 

Craig: Well, and, and maybe that’s very much what they were going for. And I guess if they were going for, they succeeded on some level, it didn’t do it for me. I, I think you’re right. Uh, you know, it’s a PG 13 movie. If you were looking for something to watch with your family, I mean there some kind of spooky stuff, kids might get kinda scared by a few things, but overall it’s, it’s a very safe.


Todd: film and it’s unfortunately rather predictable. Yeah. You know, I mean, all the cliches aside, it starts out and then make a big deal of him with his kid. Um, and that he loves his kid. His kid is clearly the only thing he has left in the world and he can’t bring him along. You know, that we’re going to be seeing some of this kid eventually, and that this is going to sort of play into it very shortly.

Craig: Well, and that’s another thing, like his kid was supposed to be meeting him there afterwards. One of the things that we haven’t really said. Okay. So the ghost. She’s this, uh, woman in black and, um, the whole premise and it’s, it’s kind of set up as a mystery. But it wasn’t really all that mysterious. It was pretty easy to figure out what was going on.

Um, but you find out that she lost a child tragically and she feels that, uh, somebody else was to blame. And, and because her child was taken away from her, she is now taking away children from the village. This is why the villagers didn’t want Harry. I keep calling  and Arthur. He didn’t want Arthur. Uh, around because they have stayed away from the house because every time somebody sees this ghost, one of their kids dies in some tragic and violent way.

Uh, and we see that happen a couple of times. So knowing, you know, one little girl dies in Arthur’s arms and another little girl dies very violently right in front of his face. Kids are dropping right and left and it never occurs to him. To send like a telegram and say, don’t bring my kids to this village where kids are dropping like flies.

Todd: That’s right. And then of course the, the couple that he gets taken in by the dailies, um, you don’t, what is it? Two, is it. Was it a thing to bury your family, like right in your backyard or right in the family plot? 

Craig: I don’t think that was uncommon, especially in rural areas like that. And especially on as large of an estate as that was, I don’t think it would have been uncommon.

Of course I’m basing my knowledge on 

Todd: horror movies. That’s true. I don’t know every horror movie I’ve ever seen, so it must be right. All I learned about the world I learned from horror films. Well, the dailies, you know, they have this little mazal Liam, uh, on their property and, uh, Daly’s wife is considerably disturbed.

Um, they go to sit down and have the meal after, uh, you know, basically, uh, Arthur says I don’t have a room. And he says, don’t worry, I’ll take you up. But nicest guy in the world, 

Craig: the benevolent rich folks in town, the only ones who are welcoming Arthur at all. Yeah. 

Todd: And he’s the one who says, uh, he’s pretty much says superstition is nonsense.

Um, he, of course he doesn’t go into what the town’s people were superstitious of, which is something that you would think a skeptical person would do. Look, everyone’s going to tell you, there’s this woman in black don’t believe at blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He just kind of withholds that information and ends up being, you know, creating creepy circumstances himself.

Uh, they have dinner over at the house, uh, and the woman’s like, can I, Oh, we know. And he says, don’t bring up children, whatever you do, don’t bring up children. And of course they’re walking through the house and they’re paintings of their son and he’s showing him a picture of his son and stuff. Um, the woman comes in and w one of the first few things out of her mouth is about, you know, her son.

Uh, who’s dead. Yeah. Obviously one of the victims who in the mausoleum? In the back. Yeah. It says, can you, Oh, can we bring the twins in? No, the twins won’t be eating with us tonight. Oh, Arthur doesn’t mind, does he? No, that’s fine. And the twins are of course, a couple of dogs, couple 

Craig: little, a little white lies, Jack Russell terrier or something.

I think that will remain my favorite part of it. 

Todd: Dogs are safe from a woman in black. Your, your, your puppies are okay, it’s your children and they get ya. She has an episode and she kind of carves something into the thing. Did he tell you about Nicholas that’s him? I painted that myself. I love to paint and sketch.

So it’s lovely. Nicholas Love to sketch too.

He still does.

He wants to draw you a picture and there’s


The Medicaid. It’s just funny that this really skeptical guy would see all this stuff happening around him would see the stuff happening to Daniel would say he, before he even knew about the woman in black is telling him on the car ride back. I saw this woman, I saw it, whatever. And still the super skeptical guys.

Isn’t really forthcoming with information and not believing it. 

Craig: Yeah. Kind of explain that a little bit. And I guess I kind of get it, but it seems like this, you know, if there were even the slightest possibility that this was true, which there seems to be lots of evidence that it is because kids keep dying.

Um, you would think that he would tell, I mean, the way that he explains it is. I had two options of things to believe. I could believe that my kid was at peace in heaven, or I could believe that he was lost out there at that spooky mansion. You know, which, what would you choose to believe? So, I mean, I guess, you know, Yeah, he’s, he’s trying as much as he can not to believe the things, but, uh, 

Todd: but it’s just more that withholding of information, you know, is sort of the thing that got me when I watched lost.

Did you ever, did you see, you know, it’s like if people would just be upfront with each other about what they’re seeing and what they’re doing, like the plot would move along a whole lot 

Craig: faster. I it’s definitely a device to keep the, the, the tension going. I mean, if we were let in on the whole story right away, I don’t know if it would have made that much of a difference.

Like I said, you get kind of these little clues like Arthur, the main guy is at the mansion. All these mysterious things are happening. Meanwhile, he continues doing his work and he uncovers all of these artifacts, documents, photographs, et cetera, that kind of slowly build the picture. I mean, it. It’s laid out there for you pretty well.


Todd: And at the end of the day comes to that conclusion. Well, the way to bring her to rest is to unite her with a son who died, um, which is why she’s angry. And of course the body was never recovered. And this to me was a really weak point in the movie. Obviously it’s another trope. You dig up the body and then you bury it back with the button, with the body of the mother and that’s supposed to make the, make everything.

Okay. But apparently the spot in the more where this car sank with the kid in it, who died is clearly marked with a cross. Right. And has been probably since it happened, but they could never recover the body. So he turns to Arthur turns to Sam and says, I know what to do. We’ve got to reunite them, but, but you’ve never found, we never found the body while you have something that nobody else does.

And that’s something is apparently a car. Um, What 

Craig: I, and so then, so that’s they’re okay. So I guess it was like a horse-drawn carriage. It must’ve been if there weren’t cars back then. Um, so it it’s sunk and they weren’t able to rescue the kid. Everybody else got up, they went into the rest of the kid and, uh, he’s still down there and they were never able to retrieve his body, but then.

Arthur just wades in there for a couple seconds. Like I found it it’s right here, 

Todd: pull it out and then pull it out with no trouble. And it was clearly just, just below the 

Craig: surface. Right, right. You know, Rachleff is not a tall man. It’s not like this thing was way down there and okay, fine. They didn’t have cars.

I would imagine they had horses or winches or something. It was, it was a week. Plot point. And not only that, but then they pull out the corpse. Now this is supposed to have happened years ago, right. And this is a swamp. I mean, we are talking thick, viscous, slimy mud, and Daniel Radcliffe Radcliffe says, I found the boy and he pulls out this almost perfectly preserved 

Todd: corpse 

Craig: and just kind of carries it out and they.

Clean it up and lay it out. It’s, it’s kind of bizarre. 

Todd: It’s weird. And of course, you know, the, they lay it out. The sponge of spooky stuff. I think about half of the spooky stuff that happens pretty much go down the list in that next 10 minutes. And of course that aren’t Sam also sees the dead children and all that.

So we kind of wrap everything up there. And 

Craig: well, and, and Arthur thinks we did it. You know, the, the, the ghost lady, the woman in black shows up, she clearly acknowledges that she sees the body has been laid out. Um, so, uh, Arthur says we did it, you know, she’s gone hooray. And they, uh, take the body out and bury it with the mother, which is, you know, nice effort.

Right. Um, and, uh, then everything’s supposed to be okay, but it’s not. 

Todd: Yeah, there’s a twist. Now, did you think there’d be a twist ending? Oh 

Craig: yeah. Yeah. I figured there was, I don’t even consider it a, a twist. Really? This happens all the time. Anytime you have a haunting movie, they always say, Oh, we did it. We, it worked w w you know, one of my favorite ones where they do it really well.

Is Poltergeist when Tangina says this house is clean, uh, and then everybody thinks everything’s fine. And then of course, all of the spirits come back and it’s way worse than ever. So I knew she’d be back plus it’s not like it was a big surprise. They, uh, after, uh, salmon Arthur leave, they do a slow. Walk through the corridor towards the mother’s room, uh, in the house.

And you hear her saying, I’ll never forget. I’ll never forget. And so then you want to 

Todd: wrap it up. Yeah. It’s pretty much setting it up for SQL. So, so then of course, uh, his, uh, nanny and a son do end up coming back and that night and the minute they step off the train, he says to them, he knows like the first words out of his mouth.

Got it. Change of plans. 

Craig: We’re not staying at the night. We’re going straight back to London. Can you purchase some tickets? I’ll explain on the way. 

Todd: So while he’s holding the son’s hand and talking with his, a friend, uh, Sam, and saying goodbye, the kid sees the woman in black and just like all the other children to sort of lure towards her, goes down into the train tracks, into the path of an oncoming train and Arthur leaps in after him.

They both get hit by the train and they’re ghosts now. And 

Craig: they’re ghosts now, which I guess we’re supposed to kind of be happy about because they’re reunited with the deceased’s wife, mother, you know, Arthur’s wife is there and they kind of walk off down the train tracks together. Well,

that’s it, that’s it credits the end. Um, I don’t know. I feel like we’re being really hard on the sound. I just didn’t care for it. And you know, that’s not, like I said, I think the cinematography was good. It was pretty look at, I didn’t think, you know, the costuming was good. There, there are lots of things you could say that are good about it.

The set pieces were spooky. One of the things that I, one of the few things I read, I, I know now I couldn’t find a lot of information about this film. One of the few things I read is that all of those windup toys in the nursery were not. Props and they were, they were actually antique windup toys and that’s kind of cool cause they were, they were pretty creepy.

Um, so that was cool. I didn’t think that there was anything wrong with the acting. Not necessarily. I mean, I think that Arthur’s character was kind of flattened. Unbelievable, but I don’t think that was. A result of the acting. I think it was the script and the direction and the pacing and the pacing it’s it just didn’t work for me.

It, you know, 

Todd: you and I probably seen so many movies and so many movies like this, that we were never going to be wowed by it. Probably not. If you were a teenager, if you had kids and you kind of wanted to watch a fun Halloween movie with your kids, this would probably freak you out. Yeah. I can 

Craig: see this being kind of a slumber party favorite maybe for, you know, Uh, adolescent girls, maybe the Harry Potter fans might enjoy it for Daniel Radcliffe alone.

But like you said, you said, you know, if we hadn’t been doing this, you might have nodded off. I would have turned it off. I would’ve have turned it off. After the first half hour I was bored. And you know, that’s, in my opinion, the worst sin, a horror film can commit is being boring. And I was bored by this movie.

Just didn’t do it 

Todd: for me. No, you’re absolutely right. Um, It just didn’t happen, but it was apparently wildly 

Craig: successful really well. That has to be because of Daniel Radcliffe. Right. That 

Todd: was it. You know, everybody wanted to know what he was going to do next. And of course it’s a creepy horror movie and you’re wondering what’s going to happen.

Craig: Harry Potter books and movies. I mean, they made good jillions of dollars. So anything that these kids were tied to immediately after that, I’m not at all 

Todd: surprised. Oh, it blew up every, even their expectations away. I think it made 127 million worldwide and almost like a $20 million budget or less. And, um, Best grossing hammer movie ever, or an, and also best grossing British horror film in 20 years when it came out.

So again, probably the star power that was leading people. I think so otherwise it’s quite forgettable and it’s not like his performance was fantastic. 

Craig: No, not bad. I mean, I don’t think that he’s a bad actor. It wasn’t a very good movie, so they didn’t have much to do with it, I guess. I don’t know. Maybe you’ll watch it and totally disagree with us.

Maybe we’re cynical. Maybe we’ve seen too many horror movies, but, you know, I was, I was thinking we’ve, we’ve only been doing this for a little while now. And, uh, we’ve watched movies that we have known and loved for the most part. And so we were already coming in. Ready to gush about some of these things, this one you hadn’t seen it, it had, you know, I hadn’t seen it either.

I knew nothing about it. I really didn’t have any expectations. So I guess my expectations weren’t high, then I wasn’t disappointed in that regard, but I don’t know. I just like. Didn’t find myself coming away with much to say, yeah, 

Todd: I’m with you, but you know, a creepy story if you’re into that sort of thing.


Craig: If you’re into Gothic, haunted houses, I mean, 

Todd: it may be your thing. Yeah. You you’re just, you know, if you are, you’re just sort of into the same stuff over and over again, I guess. I mean, to be honest, uh, it really is, uh, all of these movies tend to be like this. It’s hard to find one that’s different.

Craig: Right. That’s really unique. That really does something different with the genre and. You know, people, it’s not like this is a new type of movie or even storytelling. I mean, Gothic novels. I’m thinking of like, um, uh, Hawthorne’s the house of the seven Gables, you know, that kind of thing. It’s obviously a genre that people continue to be interested in.

Otherwise, why would we keep seeing them? So maybe it was just not our niche. 

Todd: Probably not. Well next week, we’ll try to find something that’s a little more interesting that we can talk 

Craig: about. I’m still glad to have seen it. I guess, you know, I’m kind of a completist in, in the horror genre. I kind of like to see everything I can get my hands on and now I can say I’ve seen it.

People ask for recommendations. I can say this would not be one of them for me. Well, 

Todd: there’s a sequel out there. It’s on Netflix. Maybe it’s better. Um, I’m not going to go ready to any anytime. Thank you again for listening. If you enjoyed what you heard today, please check out our other podcasts at, uh, two

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