The Wicker Man (1973)

Episode 176, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast

Todd:  Hello, and welcome to another episode of 2 Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.

Craig: And I’m Craig.

Todd: This week, we decided to do the 1973 film The Wicker Man, not to be confused with the remake in 2006 of Nicolas Cage is The Wicker Man, which I hear was horrible. I never saw it. Did you see that 1, Craig, by the way?

Craig:  Nope. Nope. Never saw it.

Todd:  You just filed the advice of everybody else who saw it and didn’t even bother? Correct. I heard his performance, and that was pretty awful. I have to say, I was really appalled to think that they would even remake this movie. Well, back in 2006, I was anyway. Nowadays, it seems like every movie movie gets remade anyway. But this one this this movie It’s well, well regarded. It’s been well regarded for a long time. Like I said, it was done in 1973.  This is one of, Christopher Lee’s actually, he says it’s his favorite film that he’s that he’s acted in. The lead actor, in this movie, Edward Woodward, says it’s also his favorite film that he’s ever acted in. And the director of this film, Robin Hardy, really hasn’t directed much. He did this, 2 others, and that’s about it. But For a first time director, this movie, comes across really, really well. I don’t know how you feel about it. I think the 1st time I watched it, I was really taken by it. I guess in in our intro here, I really have to say that this movie really relies on a bit of a hook.  And if you have any interest at all in seeing this movie before we start talking about it, you probably should go out and see it first. Anyway, that that’s my history with the movie. That’s what I know about it. How about you, Craig, what’s your history with this film?

Craig:  None. I mean, I I had heard of it. The title was very familiar to me, And I had, you know, seen memes and and other things about the remake, and I you know, I’ve seen Stills and some just, like, super, super brief clips of, Nick Cage, in the remake. But and I kind of Had an inkling of an idea of what it was about, something to do maybe with I I don’t know. I don’t wanna say a Cult. But that’s that’s the best word that I can come up with, you know, some kinda, like, cult activity that somebody, some guy was investigating or or something. But that that’s it. That’s all I knew about it.  And I really knew nothing about the original at all. And you told me not to read anything about it, so I didn’t. And so I was going in blind, really, and, man, it’s a weird movie.

Todd:  It really is, isn’t it?

Craig:  I yeah. I I don’t know. I kinda don’t know what to make of. I you know, in the end, when all is said and done, It all pretty much makes sense. And even though, you know, throughout the course of the movie, you’re trying Along with the main character who’s an investigator, a police investigator, you’re kinda trying to put together what’s going on, but The things that are going on are so bizarre that it’s kind of hard to make anything of it until you get to the end, and then things are laid out pretty Neatly. And and, ultimately, it it really does make sense, but, just tons of really bizarre Imagery throughout. And I think that what makes it so bizarre is that it’s presented in such a way as though like, oh, yeah. This is just what we do.  Yeah. You know? People screwing in the lawn, like, on in the middle of the night. Like, You know, big orgies and weird fertility ceremonies. Like, yeah. I mean, that’s just that’s how we roll. And, like, you’re like, Okay. And the other thing that really struck me about this is I would Certainly go so far as to call this movie a musical. Like, the music is so integral, it seems, to the ambiance and to the plot that I would go so far as you call it a musical.

Todd:  Yeah. That’s That’s a really good and a lot of people say that. In fact, apparently, about midway through filming, the director himself announced to the cast, by the way, we’re we’re filming a musical, and shocked them a little bit. But the the music is really integral to this film, and it really works in in a very seventies way, I think, as well. Oh, I don’t know. You know, when I think of the seventies, also, I do think of, things a little new agey. Yeah. And this movie fits in well with that and the kind of folk music That was really popular in the late sixties, early seventies.  Right. The free love hippie ish type of stuff definitely has an influence in here, but, really, as the source of what that stuff came from. We’re talking about more ancient Celtic

Craig:  Gaelic. Yeah.

Todd:  Gaelic, Celtic, kind of rituals, kind of music. It actually takes place in a Scottish island that doesn’t well, it’s it’s a fictional Scottish island, of Summerisle. But, actually, you know, up until fairly recently, those islands were a bit inhabited. They’re not anymore. This is the kind of music that they came up with for the movie, and took a lot of great care to do and to be the kind of music that maybe this town, Which is isolated, and, therefore, the people in this town, through a story that’s told a little bit later in the film, are following this ancient religion. It’s it’s a very Mother nature, down to earth kind of religion that’s definitely not Christian. Right. So they put together this music to be this would be maybe the kind of music that this group people would do.  And it’s it has lyrics, and we get some of this music right off the bat during the opening credit scene, through a song that’s really kind of interesting.

Clip:  It was upon a llama’s night when cornwriggs Arbonne beneath the moon’s unclouded lines I held a while To Annie, the time went by with careless heed. Till ‘tween the late

Craig:  What was interesting to me about the music is that it sounds very traditional. Like, it sounds like, You know, the kind of traditional, folk music that one might sing in choir in high Cool. But at the same time, if you listen to the lyrics, they’re really pointed. And Yeah. A lot of the time I can only imagine you know, I can’t imagine that the lyrics that they are singing are traditional lyrics because They’re filthy. Like, it’s it’s it’s so much about sex. And, you know, ultimately, it ends up Basically, being about fertility and rebirth and and that type of stuff, but it’s And it’s not pornographic No. But it’s graphic.  Like, you and it’s just a little bit jarring to, You know, hear young people and sometimes even children singing these lyrics that are Highly, highly suggestive. It makes the very straight laced sergeant Howie, who is our main guy. He’s uneasy about it from the beginning, and I would be too. Like, it’s just but, again, it’s Treated in such a nonchalant way, it’s a weird juxtaposition of these these strange suggestive lyrics, but then presented in almost just like a fun and carefree kind of way. It was unsettling to me. Like, not upsetting, but unsettling.

Todd:  Well, it is it’s unsettling to, maybe even to our own sort of, semi prudish Christian sensibilities. Right? Yeah. Where where we’re okay with violence, but Sex becomes a little uncomfortable. And and this is a very different, you know, society. It’s very uncomfortable in that way and that sex is treated as a very natural, normal part of life. They’re educating their kids about it quite early and, quite frankly, There are rituals around fertility and sex and things like that. And like you said, it’s very nonchalant. And our main actor, sergeant Howie is his name is sent to this island to investigate the disappearance of a girl.  He has been sent an anonymous letter, with a photograph saying that, this child has not been seen, for for a month, I think, month or 2 months. He’s a police officer. And I guess I have to say, especially if you’re gonna go out and see this movie, there are different versions of this film out there. Uh-huh. The original director’s cut of the movie was kind of lost, And it was lost due to the things that happened with these things where the negatives, in the studio get misplaced or accidentally destroyed Much later in history and people were going back and looking for this original version, they could find little bits and pieces of it here and some prints that were made. There was a telecine transfer that they pulled some footage from, and there’ve been a few different versions of this film put together. There’s a really long version. It’s, I think it’s a 113 minutes or something that’s supposed to be that original version, which we don’t think was ever seen in the theaters.  It was definitely not seen, on this side of the, Atlantic. Then when it was put on video, there were some scenes added from the old one. When it was put on DVD, they added some other scenes in but took other scenes out. At some point for one of these later DVD releases, the director put together what he calls the definitive director’s cut. And it’s not the full version he originally cut, but he came out and said, look. We I think this version here is fine. It’s the best of what we have. It gets across my point entirely, and I’m totally satisfied with it.  I’m gonna call this the director’s cut. And I’m pretty sure this 103 minute version is the one that we saw.

Craig:  And I read the description of some of the scenes that were cut. There were quite a few of them, really. None of them really seemed all that integral to me, as far as plot was concerned. Like, For example, I mean, we hear at some point in the movie that sergeant Howie is, engaged to be married. And, I guess there was a scene where you actually saw him with his fiancee at one point. And okay. Fine. Whatever.  I don’t really necessarily think that it was all that important to the plot. So who’s to say? Because I you know, we haven’t seen it in its full glory or whatever, but it seemed to me that the stuff that was cut and and potentially lost as I was reading it, You know, the descriptions of the scenes, I wasn’t thinking, oh, man. I sure wish I had seen that. Like, it it just seemed like longer monologues about apples and, you know, like, the stuff that, I wasn’t particularly all that interested in anyway. But it it starts out pretty typically where you’ve got, you know, this outsider coming in to this environment, and you can tell right away That this is kind of a an odd environment, and he’s very much an outsider, and he’s not wanted there, or at least that’s how it seems From the very beginning, I mean, it seems very clear

Clip:  Yeah.

Craig:  That these people are not interested, and they don’t even wanna let him come on land. You know, like, he lands in this hydroplane or whatever. They don’t even wanna send out a dinghy to come get him. They’re like, well, we’re gonna have to check with lord Summers Isle or whatever, the guy that, you know, governs the island, and he’s like, no. I’m a police officer. You have to let me on. And so, like, they begrudgingly do. And then he starts asking about this missing girl, and they’re just shady as hell.  Like, you can tell. Like, it it like, There’s no question that they are being entirely evasive and shady, and they’re all like, oh, nope. Never seen her. Don’t know. Don’t know. Nope. By that name around here.

Todd:  And And he says, well, what about the such and such woman who works at the post office? Like, oh, yeah. That woman. Oh, well, she she escaped my mind. But, yeah, that she does have that last name, but it’s not her daughter. And then as he walks away, they’re all kinda looking at each other and smiling.

Craig:  Right. And then he goes to the post office, And he meets this woman who supposedly is the mom of this missing girl, and she’s like, oh, no. I don’t know. Yeah. I have a daughter, but it’s not her. The mother introduces The investigator to her daughter, and they have a weird exchange. And and he’s like

Clip:  Do you know Rowan?  Of course, I do.  You do?  Of course, I do, silly.  Do  you know where she is now?  In the fields. She runs and plays there all day. Is she? Do you think she’ll be coming back for tea? Tea? Hairs don’t have tea, silly.  Hans?  She’s here. Ron’s here. She has a lovely time.

Craig:  It’s so weird. Yeah. And that goes on for a while. Yeah. All of this shady business. Now the thing that kinda got me and and building up to a little bit. Okay. So, eventually, he, like, he asks around and everybody’s shady, and then he goes to get a room at the local inn.  You know, it’s one of those things where everybody’s Partying and having a good time, and then the the second the outsider walks in, it’s just, like, dead silence. Yeah. Like, we weren’t doing anything.

Todd:  Who is this man?

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  Right.

Craig:  So he asks for a room, and he gets introduced To the innkeeper’s daughter, whose name is Willow, she’s played by Britt Eklund, who I recognize I I think I recognize her. I I I don’t know if you know this about me. People are often shocked to hear this about me, but I have never seen a James Bond movie

Clip:  What?

Craig:  Or any of them. Still?

Todd:  Yeah. To this day?

Craig:  Yeah. Never.

Todd:  Oh my god.

Craig:  Never ever. But I think that I’ve seen her in stills. She was a Bond girl, at one point. She’s very beautiful and, you know, the sex kitten kinda girl or whatever.

Todd:  Swedish. Like, big blonde Swedish pulled straight out of Abba or any of the European movies that were popular at this time. It’s a definite look.

Craig:  She’s gorgeous. And, like, she was married to, I think, Peter Cushing for a while. She David Rod Stewart. She got around. They didn’t even use her voice. They they dubbed her. They did a good job. I wouldn’t do even notice, I don’t think, except in some of the singing, scenes, but and that was the first time they sing a song about the the innkeeper’s daughter.

Clip:  Yeah.

Craig:  And it’s just it’s just really lusty. And, like, they’re dancing with her and, like, thrusting their pelvises into her But And

Todd:  she’s laughing, but her her father’s standing right there. He’s going in with the song too. He sings a verse himself.

Craig:  I know. Like, I just thought, Gosh. This is so weird.

Clip:  Her eyelid is lively and strong to the taste. Edge is bruised with discretion. Never move. In case You can have all you’d like if you swear not to waste. The land lord’s daughter. And when  As done a A path that lies between Her left toe. And her right toe.

Craig:  And so he gets his room. Then I didn’t realize this was gonna be significant, but he orders dinner. And he sits down to dinner, and it’s all gross. And he says something to her, Willow, like, it seems like everything that you served me just, like, came out of a can. And she’s like, well, it did. And he’s like, well, where’s all your famous produce? Like, apparently, this island is famous for their apples specifically, but Harvest in general, and I don’t know. She’s evasive about it, but she’s like, I don’t know. You know, be happy with what you get.  Whatever.

Todd:  Most of it was pretty was probably exported is kinda what she says.

Craig:  Yeah. He goes outside, and there’s a freaking orgy on the lawn. And I’m like, what what is happening? I I And, like, I was talking to my partner about it, and I’m like because I watched the first half hour and then I took a break. And and I’m like, you know, this guy walks out there, and there’s this big orgy on the lawn, and he’s like, oh, well, yeah, you kinda see that every day. Like, he barely even reacts to it.

Todd:  You know, this is, Again, another major thrust of the movie. Thrust. Another another major thrust of the movie, as we talked about earlier, is the fact that all of this Sexual stuff is going on quite openly, and he is such a prude. He is a good Catholic boy. You know, earlier when I mentioned that this is the director’s cut that we saw, one of the key scenes that was put back into this movie that I think was a really good choice is that the movie opens up with shots of him in church. Yeah. And he’s singing in church. The pastor who Speaks a few lines is a is a cameo of the director.  And, then he gets up, and it’s clear he’s even, like, a lay reader. He reads, some of the liturgy from the church, And it intercuts some scenes of him getting communion, which I don’t know if it’s going through his mind when he’s doing this, or they’re just trying to impress upon the point. Not only is he Great police officer because he’s stern and he’s insistent and he doesn’t take no for an answer. But he’s also, I think, quite appalled at what he sees, but It’s not like he leaps out and breaks them apart. This, shot of the orgy, which technically is a bunch of people having sex, But it’s all couples. It’s not like they’re all having sex with each other.

Craig:  True.

Todd:  When he steps out there, I think it’s one of those original scenes that kinda got inserted back in. So Whether or not there were some more intense reaction shots, I don’t know. But as he walks out and looks at this going on, he walks by a wall, And he looks in, and he sees that there are more people in the graveyard doing some things. And there’s a naked girl who’s weeping over a tombstone. Mhmm. And he There is a reaction shot there of his face that looks rather upset about it, and he jumps right back into the bar. And he goes upstairs, and he goes to bed. Now, he doesn’t go right to bed.  He sits up there writing. This is a a really cool scene as well where he hears some voices outside the window. And he goes to the window, and he sees down below that our Christopher Lee character, Lord Summerisle is down there with a young man, and he’s calling up to Willow, who’s at the window. And, he very casually They have this exchange that simply suggests, hey. This is a a young boy. I’m gonna send him up to have sex with you as sort of part of a coming of age ritual or something, or maybe it’s a ritual that is part of this preparation for May Day, which is coming in a day or 2. Mhmm. So he sends her into him into the bar.  There’s this song going on, another song that’s that started up that also, sounds like a folk song, but, like you said, it’s very Sexually explicit that’s talking about here’s a here’s a little piece of it.

Clip:  I put my hand on her thigh, And she says, you want to try? I’m

Craig:  It’s like they’re seren Natick or I don’t even know. This event. Like right. Like, they all clearly like, the director And cinematographer make it very clear that everybody knows exactly what’s going on. Like, they’re sitting around in a big circle singing, but they’re all looking up at the ceiling, where right above them, Willow is having sex with this guy loudly. Like Yeah. So they’re all just listening and, like, serenading and singing this song, and it’s just very bizarre. And then the next morning, it’s just like nothing happened.  Like, the police guy goes outside, and Willow’s out there. She’s like, hey. What’s up? You know? Like and they just have a conversation. Like

Todd:  But It’s he’s not.

Craig:  It’s so weird.

Todd:  But he’s pretty I mean, you can tell he’s getting more and more agitated. Right? It’s like he’s holding it in, but he’s getting more and more agitated. Like, he, like, he he hears The sex happening, and he can’t really sleep. He’s sort of tossing and turning through it. In the morning, you’re right. He has this conversation with her. And I think that scene was important. I think that was kind of used to show, like She’s like, hey.  What’s up? And he’s like, well, I’m fine, but just show me where I need to go, and, you know, just to kind of emphasize the casual nature of all of this. Right?

Clip:  Yeah.

Craig:  And I but I and I’m looking at my notes, and I feel like, you know, I wrote these things down, and I’m looking back at them now, and I’m realizing that they had more relevance than I even understood at the time. Like

Clip:  Mhmm.

Craig:  When, lord Summers isle gives her this boy, he says, you know, this is a sacrifice Suffice to Aphrodite. He says it’s in preparation for tomorrow, which is the day of death and rebirth, which ends up being relevant. And then there’s some snail porn. Like, what the heck? Like, it was so weird.

Todd:  Well, he he recites a poem that’s kind of interesting. It or at least his lines are based on a Walt Whitman poem. I think, kind of damning critique of The Christianity is what it is.

Clip:  I think I could turn and live with animals. They are so placid and self contained. They do not awake in the dark and weep for their sins.  But I  do not make me sick discussing their duty to God. Not one of them kneels to another, or to his own kind that lived 1000 of years ago. Not one of  them is Respectable.  Gentle nature. Or unhappy. Gentle  nature. All over the air.

Todd:  And that is one of the 1 or 2 moments in this movie where Lord Summer’s Isle is is quite upfront about the fact that they’re very happy with their religion on their island.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  And they don’t really need anything else. And that is, the point of conflict. The I think, really, the main point of conflict between them and this Police officer. You know, he is completely a fish out of water. Not only is he a fish out of water, but he’s uncomfortable. And he’s uncomfortable at a deeply personal level that really gets to the heart of his core belief system.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  And so as he’s investigating this murder, it’s not just the people’s, evasiveness about this problem that’s frustrating him, But it’s their overall lifestyle. It’s their overall way that they’re living that offends him to the deep to the deepest core. So he’s completely able To believe that these people have what he’s coming to grips with and what we’re seem what we’re starting to believe too, Have just as casually as they are, you know, having all the sex out in the open and doing this stuff, that they’re probably into human sacrifice too, and they don’t think anything of it either.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  And that’s what they’re hiding is that this woman got sacrificed, this girl.

Craig:  Ultimately, that that’s the largest impact that this movie had on me and that left me thinking when it was over. Now okay. So the next day, they’re in preparation for May Day. And so these kids are stringing up a maypole.

Todd:  Mhmm.

Craig:  And they’re singing a very, you know, carefree song. But, again, the lyrics are very suggestive. And then he goes into a classroom where the teacher is teaching them about the rites and rituals of May Day, and she’s like, okay. Now what does the maypole represent? And 1 girl can’t answer, and the all the rest of the girls are like, penis. And she’s like, that’s right. It’s the penis. And, he’s just absolutely appalled, and, like, he even threatens to report her and and stuff. And he asks them about, the missing girl, and they all say they don’t know her.  And the teacher says something like, if she existed, we would know about her. But then he forcefully takes from her the school roster, and he finds The girl’s name on the roster. And so he chastises the children and the teacher that you’re all liars. You’re all liars. And she takes him outside, and she says, we’re not lying. I said, if she existed, we would acknowledge that. And he’s saying, so if she existed so you’re saying she doesn’t exist, so she’s dead. And the lady says, we don’t use that word here.  You know, when we leave our earthly bodies, we believe that we go back into the land and nature and the spirits of the earth and and all of that stuff. There’s really we don’t acknowledge death. And and she kinda lays it out. You know? I was kinda surprised that she was so forthcoming Once that they had been caught and she says, you know he’s like, well, where is she buried? And and she’s like, well, in the ground. And he’s like, well, you mean, like, in the churchyard? And she says, well, not exactly because the Building that was once used as a church isn’t used as a church anymore, so I don’t know if it technically counts as a churchyard. Basically, what she’s saying is, You know, we don’t practice Christianity here. It’s something else. And that’s what it becomes.  And, eventually, Lord Summerisle kind of lays out the same thing, and we’ll get there. But this has been running through my mind since we started. The biggest impact that this had on me was The idea of religion and how when something is so ingrained In you or me or whomever it might be, anything that’s different or that challenges that becomes So upsetting or or seemingly illogical when, really, why is their religion any better or worse than Christianity.

Todd:  Right.

Craig:  So they celebrate sexuality. So they celebrate nature. So they do things differently than some might expect. Who are you to judge, mister Judge y sergeant Howie. Like, they all seem pretty happy and content in their lives and their practices. So It just it had me questioning that. Like, you know, I think that I identify most with him because I come from, You know, a Judeo Christian background, and and so that seems very normal to me. And what’s going on with them is so out of the realm of normality to me that just like him, I immediately make judgments and say, oh my gosh.  That’s so weird. How could they possibly be doing this? How could they be so, you know, explicit in their discussions of sex and and all of those things? Well, Maybe I’m just a prude too. You know? It’s just a it’s just a difference. You know? It’s it’s who’s to say one is better than the other? It’s just different.

Todd:  Well, it’s true, and especially when you compare it and contrast it with, what the opening scene of the movie, the him giving this liturgy for the, you know, the ritual of communion. And I think it’s no accident that those flashback scenes are filmed in a kind of fantasy, a gauzy way, that The some of these rituals are filmed in in this movie because, you know, well, okay, what is that communion ritual? It’s eating and drinking the body and blood of Jesus Christ. You know, a guy who’s not there. I mean, to an outsider, that itself seems Right. Pretty bizarre and pretty weird. And so, yeah, of course, this is all gonna seem weird to him. And like you said, the movie takes great pains to show I think it’s quite skillful in the fact that Here it shows that from from the child level, you know, they’re, quote, unquote, indoctrinating their children. They’re educating their children in their way of life just as we all do.  It’s just very different from what, you know, you and I are familiar with. But, again, it’s the same thing. And that Maypole scene is it’s cute, I think, because it’s this very innocent like, the guy who’s leading the song is almost like the youth pastor this group. Right? Uh-huh. Like, he’s up there. He’s smiling. He’s very clean-cut, and he’s using hand motions while they’re dancing to illustrate what’s essentially kind of a birds and bees cycle of nature kind of song. The tree comes from the earth and from the seed, and then the bee pollinates the flower, and then the man gets in bed with the woman.  And then, you know, the baby is born, and then they go to the ground and a seed comes from the ground. It’s it’s actually, when you break it down, it’s not really disgusting as it is quite natural. You know? It’s just the context that’s that’s that’s Yeah.

Craig:  That’s that’s what I was thinking exactly. I mean, you know, the the whole Sex being kind of this private and maybe even dirty thing is a very puritanical I I don’t wanna say strictly Christian, and and I I identify as Christian, so I’m certainly not trying to insult anyone. But it’s kind of a puritanical notion. You know? Like, So what? You know? Sex is natural, and and reproduction and and birth and the cycle of life, that is very Why are we so prudish about it when it comes to talking about it or or hiding that natural process from children. And I’m not saying that I think that exposing children to that at such a young age, I’m not saying I necessarily think that’s appropriate, but it made me question. It made me question my own beliefs.

Clip:  And

Todd:  Well, Also, you know, you you see both you see all sides of this, really, because there’s this sort of song, but then there’s also that landlord’s daughter song that we heard earlier, which is just this body like, Irish drinking song about how the landlord’s daughter is the town slut.

Craig:  Yeah.

Todd:  And and that’s a very different approach. You know? It’s not like they’re sitting around singing about how beautiful Sexes, they’re all, like, grinding up against her and singing all these lyrics about how she’s a slut and ever and she’s laughing and going along with it.

Craig:  Well, I think that the only thing that made me uncomfortable about that seen was the fact that her dad was there and participating. That was weird.

Todd:  Yeah.

Craig:  You know, beyond that, it’s a bar. You know? It’s a Pub. They’re singing a pub song. It’s not like that’s all that much out of the and and okay. So you’ve got a flirty barmaid. Oh, I’ve never heard of that 4. You know? Like, not that big a deal. I think it was just the fact that her dad was and it it it didn’t even seem like it was lascivious.  You know? Like, he was just in on the fun.

Todd:  Yeah. Yeah. Of course.

Craig:  I don’t know.

Todd:  You’re right. But but it’s all kind of a test in a way for this Howie character.

Craig:  Totally.

Todd:  They’re all really pushing him. Now some of the stuff he’s stumbling across naturally as they’re getting ready for the May stuff. But things like that, they’re really pushing him, and really testing him to kinda see if he is who they assume he is. As the movie goes on, he goes back to the cemetery, And he sees a couple graves there. And there’s a gravekeeper there. And he asks, where is this grave? And he’s, like, oh, yeah. That’s Rowan’s grave. He’s, like, really? He says, yeah.  And we plant this tree like we do on all the grays, and there’s a little something dangling from the tree. And he’s what like, what’s that? And he seems to insinuate that it’s like a piece of skin.

Craig:  I think it was her umbilical cord, was it?

Todd:  Was that it?

Craig:  I think that’s what he said. I think he called it her navel Chord.

Todd:  Oh, okay. That makes more sense. Yeah.

Craig:  Yeah. And Which kinda makes sense because kind of the whole birth and, You know, the cycle of life kind of deal.

Todd:  Yeah. And as he’s walking around this graveyard, he sees a woman who’s sitting there. She’s breastfeeding a baby, and she’s holding an egg in her And and it’s just

Craig:  So random.

Todd:  So random. Right? But you’re getting used to seeing random weird stuff like this in this town. Like I said, it’s all kinda new age y type stuff. And I read in the trivia, apparently, this is actually based on a more ancient rite that this woman was there, hoping for good luck for fertility for another baby.

Craig:  I just assumed that’s what it was. You know? Like, the this woman was she’s breastfeeding a baby, and she’s holding an egg out in her other hand. Like Yeah. We and we’ve seen other kind of ritualistic stuff like this. I don’t know if we’ve seen it yet. I feel like it’s it’s right after this. But then he goes To Lord Summerisle.

Todd:  But wait a second. Before he goes to Lord Summerisle, in the cemetery, he sees some crates, on there, you know, that that Used to hold apples. They’re up on a tombstone, and he gets so frustrated. Again, he’s getting so pissed off by what he sees that he smashes 1 of the crates, And he tears off a couple of boards from it, and he puts it into a cross. And he just lays this cross on top of the grave like This cemetery needs a Christian symbol, and he points it down and he storms out. And that’s when, like you said, yeah, he goes to to see lord Summer. That

Craig:  I’m glad you brought that up because I I do think it’s important. I I mean, he’s so desperately clinging to his faith and his tradition, and I I think that that’s so Important to the themes of of the movie, so I’m glad that you brought it up. But on on his way to see Lord Summerisle, he runs across another ritual, A naked lady circle dance. There’s 1 clothed pregnant woman, then there’s, like, What seemed like a priestess who was also clothed, but then there were, I don’t know, 8 to 10. I don’t think they were really fully nude, but that’s what the indication was.

Todd:  They were meant to be nude, but but they ended up putting them in full body stockings to give the impression of nudity without having so much nudity. I think they were trying to even in this movie, trying to tone that down just a a little bit. So I don’t know. So the rating would be or or maybe for the comfort of the actresses or whatever.

Craig:  Right. Like, I mean, it was certainly suggested that they were nude, but you weren’t seeing the ins and outs So their hoo has basically was what it came down to. But, anyway, they were you know, they’re dancing around a fire, and it you know, it’s kind of intricate Get choreography where they’re, you know, moving around. It’s very ritualistic. I mean, that’s what it looked like. It looked like a ritual, and it looked like a fertility Well, which is ultimately what it was. Mhmm. He witnesses this, and then he goes up to Lord Summerisle.  And it’s one of the first things that, he He brings up, like, how can you condone this? These are young chill he calls them children. They didn’t look like children. They looked maybe like teenagers. I thought they looked older than

Clip:  me.

Todd:  They looked adult to me.

Craig:  He’s like, what? He’s like, it’s a fertility ritual. You know? They they’re they’re praying to the god of Whatever, that they will be fruitful and multiply. And

Clip:  I understand you’re looking for a missing girl. I found her Splendid. In her grave. Your lordship is  a justice of the peace. I need your permission to  exhume her body, have it transported to the mainland for the pathologist’s report. You suspect foul play? I suspect murder. And conspiracy to murder? In that case, you must go ahead. Your lordship seems strangely unconcerned. I’m confident your suspicions are wrong, sergeant. We don’t commit murder up here. We’re a deeply religious people.  Religious with ruined churches. No ministers, no priests, And children dancing naked.

Craig:  Christopher Lee, I think it’s so bizarre that he cites this as one of his best movies. He’s been in so many things, Not even one of. You know? He this is his favorite role that he’s ever done. That being said, I think he plays it really well. Like, it seemed like he really relished this role for whatever reason, and he’s just very dapper and Calm. He reminded me of the guy from, what was that show when we were kids? Fantasy Island? Yeah. Remember that? Yeah. He reminded me of that guy.

Todd:  He even looked a little like him, didn’t he, to another show? Oh, he did this role for free, And and then he went around the country on his own dime to help promote it and did interviews wherever he could. I mean, he was that passionate about this movie.

Craig:  Yeah. Anywhere they would have him. I read that. I thought that was so interesting. Like, literally, you know, he would do local AM TV spots, you know, totally for free to promote this movie. That’s how Intuit he was.

Todd:  Some of that had to be a little selfish, Maybe. Because by this point, he was really in danger of getting typecast for just playing Dracula so many times with the Hammer Horror films and and and those those villainous roles that this was a pretty big departure for him on the screen. I mean, he’s a very accomplished actor. He can certainly do it, but I think he really had to prove it. And he was really hoping this movie would be a big success for that reason too. But like I said, even like you said and Avaya have said, even later in life, he’s looked back and said this is his favorite film, his favorite role.

Craig:  Like I said, he’s very calm. You know, he just Howie, the cop at this point is really agitated. Like, he’s he’s appalled by what’s going on. And lord is just very calm and just, You know, kind of is trying to lay it out for him, and he, you know, he says, on this island, we believe that the old gods aren’t dead. How he says something like, well, what about the true God? And he’s like, oh, the Christian God? Oh, he’s dead. Yeah. Like so we don’t really care. But he just lays it out very plainly and and says, you know, my grandfather came here.

Clip:  You see, his experiments had led him to believe that it was possible to induce here the Successful growth of certain new strains of fruit that he had developed. So with typical mid Victorian zeal, he set to work. Best way of accomplishing this, though it seemed to him, was to rouse the people from their apathy by giving them back their joyous old gods. And that as a result of this worship, the Faron Island would virgin and bring forth fruit in great abundance.

Craig:  He says my grandfather Did this for business purposes. My father continued it out of love for the island and the people, and that’s why I continue it as well. And so they’ve got all of these traditions, and he makes it out as though, You know, it it it works. Our island thrives because of our practices and because of our belief, and Yeah. He just Presents it in a very nonchalant way. Seeing him present it in such a casual way And seeing how we respond to it with such disgust, that’s when I started to think, you know what, Howie? Like, Open your mind a little bit.

Clip:  You

Todd:  need to chill out.

Craig:  Like Yeah. You’re So so so it’s not your way. Alright. If it works for them, it works for them. Chill out.

Todd:  It’s really important that by this point in the movie, Howie is coming is starting to come across a little less like a sympathetic character. Uh-huh. There’s still this mystery. Right? But the mystery of the missing girl, at least in my mind, is is starts to really take a back seat To what overall is is going on on this island? You know, what other mysteries do they have? What could we possibly understand about what they do? Not to say that you’re coming and thinking, okay. Yeah. Human sacrifice. Alright. You know, it’s their thing.  So I get it. It’s it’s cool. You know? Not to say that Right. The movie’s trying to give you that feeling, but it it adds to that mystery anyway, this idea that if these people are so cool with all of this, and there seem to be great, wonderful people. You can’t imagine that this group might not also be fine and cool with human sacrifice if it works, and they’ve been doing it for generations and whatever.

Craig:  Well and at this point at this point, that’s only his suspicion. We don’t know

Todd:  He has no proof.

Craig:  That that’s Right. He has no proof, except for that this girl is missing. And there are other, you know, suspicious things. Like, every year, they take a picture of a young, I I assume virgin in front of the harvest, and they, put it in the inn. And The picture from this year is very obviously missing, and and they explained it by saying it fell off the wall and got broken or something, But he’s very interested in finding it. First, he asks permission to exhume the missing girl’s grave because they’ve conceded that she’s dead at this point or not dead because they don’t use that word, but, that she’s no longer living in her corporeal body. And the funny thing is he asks permission right away and is given permission right away.

Todd:  Yeah.

Craig:  And and then, like, 10 minutes later, he’s like

Clip:  Lord Summerisle, I am interested in one thing, the law. But I must remind you, sir, But despite everything you’ve said, you are the subject of a Christian country.  Now, sir, If I may  have your permission to exhume the body of Rowan Morrison.  I was under the impression I’d already given it to you.

Todd:  Yeah. That’s his last line to him, which is also really interesting. It’s like how he he’s not really listening to this guy. Yeah. He’s So distracted by the elements that are making him uncomfortable with this island and these people and their culture and stuff in general that he doesn’t really have a clear head about all this. I mean, keep in mind And and this was going through my mind from the very beginning of the movie. He was tipped off to this by an anonymous letter.

Clip:  Right.

Todd:  A photo. And he’s taking this photo and this letter completely at face value. Uh-huh. This guy hasn’t questioned that. And I guess it’s his job as a police officer not to. And after a while, like you said, he’s people are so evasive, and he seems suspicious enough stuff that, you know, that he’s thinking that there’s definitely something behind it. But there’s also that question that kinda needs to be investigated.

Craig:  Like Where did this come from?

Todd:  Where did this come from? Why do I have this photograph of this girl? Why am I even here? And that itself came from a kind of, well, clearly a somewhat unreliable source.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  So he’s not a 100% in the right here with with what he’s doing. He jumps to his conclusions for sure.

Craig:  Well and he’s also pretty I mean, it’s a movie, so whatever. But he’s also pretty foolish in that He continues this entire investigation on his own.

Todd:  Yeah. Like, he’s calling somebody else.

Craig:  As right. As soon as it got that shady, he shoulda had More people there.

Todd:  Yeah.

Craig:  But whatever. He exhumes the body, but there’s no girl in it. It’s Just the body of a rabbit.

Todd:  Which is great because that calls back to what the girl said earlier in the movie, where she called her a rabbit. And now you’re kind of rethinking through all of it. You’re like, could they all have been referring to a like, was the rabbit a class pet and it was on the roster? Like, you know, you’re kind of Trying to go back and and explain and make sense of this, because it does connect in these weird ways. And we’ve seen a lot of this imagery Just peppered and sprinkled throughout the movie. Again, upon rewatching, you probably noticed more of it. But, you know, the woman this who ran the sweet shop, there are tons of these chocolate rabbits and things in the window. Of course, you know, the rabbits and the eggs are all kind of part of fertility and and and that May time.

Craig:  There there was really weird set like, not only a lot of the rabbits, which, you know, is a sign of spring in Christian mythology. Well, it’s not really Christian. I guess it’s more Yeah.

Todd:  It’s pagan.

Craig:  Secular. But, you know, it’s a it’s a a sign of spring, so there’s that. But then she also had, like, tons of, like, babies, like like, giant marzipan babies and baby cakes and

Todd:  Which at one point she’s cutting up, which I thought was a really interesting image.

Craig:  Yeah.

Todd:  Later on It

Craig:  was it was weird.

Todd:  Later on, he goes to accuse her of being a terrible mom that, like, says, I know your your girl’s dead. I know you all sacrificed her, and I can’t believe what a horrible mom you are. And she’s looking at him like, sweet lilac, honey, I don’t even know what you’re talking about while she’s Right. Cutting cutting this giant marzipan baby into segments.

Craig:  Right.

Todd:  But, yeah, you’re right. He tosses the rabbit down at the foot, and and lord Summers isle is there with a woman. Was she who was she? Was she the teacher?

Craig:  I don’t know who she was, but I got the impression that she was his wife or girlfriend or something.

Todd:  They’re singing another song.

Craig:  Yeah. They are. And in the end, In the climax, they’re together. So I I don’t know. She she doesn’t really do anything. She’s just around, so I wasn’t all that worried about it. But, after he exhumes the body and there’s no body there, he breaks into the photo mart

Todd:  That’s right.

Craig:  And finds the harp the missing harvest pick, with Rowan. And he realizes that Unlike all of the other photographs of the girls with the harvest, in this picture, there is no harvest. And he says to himself, The Crops and Rowan failed, and then he has this revelation. She’s not dead, But they’re going to sacrifice her, like, on May Day or whatever, which is the next day.

Todd:  Yeah.

Craig:  So he goes back To the hotel. And this was my favorite scene just because I kinda couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Willow does, like, Like, a seductive, like, beckoning song and dance in her bedroom, which is just right next door to his. And, like, it totally has this hypnotic effect on him where he’s, like, drawn to her. Like, he almost goes. And, at one point, he’s, like, Totally got his body pressed right up against the wall, and he’s, like, sweating and panting. And I’m like, careful, dude. You’re gonna make a mess.  It’s just so funny. Like, she sings this whole song, and she’s just dancing around the room, totally naked. And I guess she was pregnant at the time. I don’t think anybody would have ever known, but, because she was pregnant at the time, she didn’t wanna be filmed fully nude. So she was only filmed nude from the waist up, and she’s got a very nice waist up. There there were some full shots of her dancing from behind, and that was a body double. And and, again, she and her double, both very beautiful women. But it was just, like, it was just so weird to This raunchy, striptease type, totally nude dance where she’s trying to seduce that.

Todd:  Yeah. It’s not what you’re expecting in this movie. Well, you know, what’s I mean, all the music is is unexpected. And then this whole scene, it’s one of the most famous scenes in the film. And, you know, it’s caused a a a bit of controversy just because of the body double thing. She’s been asked over time to, like, sign Her name on these photos of of her, and she’s like, that’s not me, so I’m not signing my name there. Yeah. I I think Her boyfriend or husband at the time was Rod Stewart, and he actually tried to get the movies not shown because he heard that she was nude in it.  It’s all this stuff. But, But yeah. It’s it’s a cool scene, but it’s it’s kind of I don’t know if I’d call it raunchy. I think it’s kind of a sexy, sexy scene. And she’s singing. And it you know, there’s this music, and it’s just pulsating. It’s like you said. It’s this seductive thing.  It maybe is played a little over the top by the guy. But When you kinda know this guy’s personality, you sort of feel like, okay. He is so he is so, stunted. Repressed. Repressed in all this. I could see him being the kinda guy who’d be, like, pressing his body up against the wall sweaty if nobody else is in

Craig:  the room. Totally. Well yeah. And and she goes in the next morning again just like nothing happened. And and she wakes him up, and she’s like, I thought you’d come see me last night. I was kinda hoping you would. And he’s like, oh, sorry. It’s nothing personal.  I just don’t I just don’t believe in that before marriage. And, you know, in in that moment, I just I was thinking Yeah. I have no idea how old this actor is, He looked like he was probably 40,

Clip:  and

Craig:  I’m like, dude, get married today.

Todd:  One of those scenes that was apparently cut from the from the film and maybe lost to time was a scene Early on, on the main island where they were his coworkers were talking about him and just explicitly talking about what a prude he was and how he was a virgin. And it’s probably good that that was cut out, because it didn’t need to be so on the nose. It’s better for the slow burn to kinda happen for that revelation to be at that moment and for it to be as casual as it is because it turns out to be pretty important that he’s a virgin.

Craig:  Yeah. This all leads into the final act where everything kind of comes together. Well, first of all, he tries to leave because he wants to go and get back up or whatever, But his plane won’t start, and it seems to be suggested that it’s been sabotage. The girl, Willow, had said to him, You really should leave today because you’re not gonna wanna be here for May Day

Todd:  Yeah. With the way with the

Craig:  way that you think about things.

Todd:  Well, e even earlier when he was in, talking to you know, when he tossed the rabbit at the floor and he was in there with Lord Summers isle, and he basically laid out to him, I think this is what’s happening. You sacrificed this girl. You’re gonna sacrifice this girl.

Clip:  Now it is my intention tomorrow to return to the mainland And report my suspicions to the chief constable of the West Highland Constabulary. And I will demand a full inquiry takes place into the affairs of this Heathen Island.  You must, of course, do as you see fit, sergeant. Perhaps it’s just as well that you won’t be here tomorrow To be offended by the sight of our May Day celebrations here.

Craig:  Right. Right. So he does try to leave, but he can’t. And so instead, what he and still nobody will be forthcoming with him about the girl, so he says that he’s gonna go search every house. And he does, and that’s kind of an interesting montage.

Todd:  It is.

Craig:  You know? People are messing with him. He’s walking in on naked ladies in the bathtub. It’s it’s just a kind of a a funny scene, but he doesn’t find anything.

Clip:  Yeah.

Craig:  So he decides to take a nap.

Todd:  That was that

Craig:  was the most relatable part of the movie to me.

Todd:  All this detective work is really exhausting.

Craig:  Yeah. I know. He goes back to the hotel, and he tells them he’s like, I’m gonna go lay down for a half an hour. Don’t Bother me. And then he’s laying down, and the innkeeper and Willow loudly whisper outside his door. Oh, he’s asleep. Let’s light the hand of fate or something. I don’t remember what it was.  And and Willow’s like, oh, I don’t know. That’s kinda risky. He could Sleep for days if we do that, and and the guy’s like, oh, that’s even better. So they light something and go away, and he wakes up and it I don’t know if it was supposed to be a real hand. We had seen a corpse in a coffin with its hand cut off before. Yeah. So I don’t know if it was a real hand or if it was just a hand candle or whatever, but it freaks him out. Then he attacks the innkeeper as he’s getting dressed for the May Day celebration, and they had explained or he had read, like, he had done some research about these different traditions.

Todd:  Even this movie is not lacking a a scene of research in a library. I just have to

Craig:  point that out. Library research and get you places.

Todd:  It was important, though, because it really laid out the ancient medieval May Day rituals that this town more or less follows. And it was good to hear him explain it and see those images to be able to understand what we were seeing during this next sequence you’re about to describe.

Craig:  And they weren’t fictitious. Mean, they were kind of a hodgepodge of of, different traditions, but, you know, it’s not like they were just making this up. I mean, these were

Todd:  They’re real.

Craig:  Real traditions.

Clip:  Mhmm.

Craig:  He read how, you know, there were 3 central figures. Everybody dresses up in costumes, and we’ve already seen that. Everybody’s wearing, like, animal masks and stuff, But there are 3 central figures. There’s a horseman. He, leads the procession, and then there’s a lady man portrayed by the leader, and then there’s

Todd:  The fool.

Craig:  Punch the fool. And, when he knocks out The innkeeper, that guy is wearing the punch costume. So he puts on the punch costume. And then there’s this great, Excellent sequence of this mayday processional where Christopher Lee is in share drag, like, ranting down the street. You know, everybody’s in their masks, and it’s this big celebration. And Howie is in the punch costume, and Summer’s aisle is like, come on. You need to dance. You’re the fool.  Act the fool. And so he kind of tries to, but, you know, he’s he’s a little out of place.

Todd:  They don’t know that it’s him or at least they presumably don’t know that it’s him in that outfit. Right. Right.

Craig:  And they proceed through all this thing, and there’s this whole, like, sword ceremony where, it’s supposedly I think that it’s all just a game, but it’s supposedly, like, a game of chance where you have to, like, put your head in this Star of swords that these guys are holding and, supposedly, they’re gonna cut somebody’s head off. Well, it’s all just a ruse. They do cut somebody’s head off, but it Turns out it’s just part of a costume. It’s it’s not real. But then they proceed to the beach, and they bring out the sacrifice. And it’s Rowan, and he’s like, oh my gosh. It’s her. I found her.  And so he runs up in the costume, and he says, don’t be afraid. I’m a police officer. And she says, oh, thank goodness, mister police officer. I’m so scared. Get me out of here.

Clip:  Uh-huh.

Craig:  And so they run off, and she’s like, come this way. I know the way out. And as soon as she said that, I said, it’s a setup. And that was that was the first time that I had thought it. But as soon as she said, oh, mister police officer, thank goodness you’re here. Follow me.

Todd:  You would have thought that this person, if this is such a part of their culture, would have gone along with it. You know, sort of willing sacrifice kind of thing. And so the minute that she seems like she’s in distress, you realize that something’s not right here. But he doesn’t. Right. They run through this cave that she had been standing in and come out the pop out the other side. And at first, it looks like they’re free, but then he looks down and sees that There’s Lord Summerisle, and there’s Willow and, like, 2 or 3 other people all waiting for him. And then pretty soon, the rest of the village comes over the top with their swords that they had in the ritual looking kind of ominous, and the people start to crowd around him.  And lord Summersisle basically lays it all out for him at this point and says, nope. You’re the sacrifice, dummy. You’re the fool, you know, is what he says.

Craig:  And I just thought it was so interesting. He’s like, we, you know, we need a Sacrifice. He’s like, animals work, but not great. He said kids are pretty good, but a certain kind of adult is the best. And he and the guy’s like, I don’t know what you mean. And he says, well, you came here of your own free will. You have the power of the king because he’s a police officer, so he represents the king. You’re a virgin, and you’re a fool.

Todd:  Yeah.

Craig:  And the combination of being all of those things makes him the prime candidate to be the sacrifice. Yeah. And so he stripped and bathed and anointed and painted and robed and led off, And he goes off on the you know, like, he’s proselytizing, talking about how he’s gonna hold on to his Faith and he will be resurrected in Jesus, and Summer’s, I was like, oh, good. I’m glad you think that. Well, he’s like Makes this even better.

Todd:  Yeah. Alright. You keep believing that. You’re gonna see Jesus soon, more or less. And it’s it’s really interesting because at this point, you look back on the movie, and you realize He did completely throw himself into this situation.

Craig:  Oh, yeah.

Todd:  Nothing that anybody did to keep him I mean, Maybe they messed with the plane. It’s really kind of unknown. But aside from that, there’s nothing that anybody ever in fact, They were actively discouraging him the entire way, including Lord Summers isle.

Craig:  Right. And even when the plane didn’t work, The boatman said, we could have somebody row you to the mainland. Yeah. It would take forever, but we could. Mhmm. So he did have the opportunity to go, but he didn’t. He stayed. And all of the dialogue here at the end is is is really strong, with him pleading And and calling out to his god and Christopher Lee’s character, again, just remaining very collected and and kinda just explaining what’s going on.  And he says, now off to the wicker man, and they drag him up this big hill where there is literally this giant wicker man. Now I’ve never heard of this in any context outside of these movies, but, apparently, This is something of lore. Whether or not it ever actually existed is up for debate. But, it’s this giant wicker structure. And this one, it looks really cool. Like, into, like, the appendages and different parts of it are built cages that they’ve got animals in that they’re gonna sacrifice also. And then right in the torso in the center is a large cage for him, and they put him in it. And and what they’re going to do and what they do do is, they light it on fire in sacrifice.  And there’s great imagery of It’s standing you know, because they’re sacrificing him to the god of the sun, and there’s great imagery of this thing Burning and then collapsing right in front of the setting sun. Yeah. I just I I I thought it was and and, you know, the animals are Screaming, which I hate, but it was really effective. And he’s weeping and and praying, and then it’s It’s just over. I mean, they Yeah. They sacrifice him, and that’s it.

Todd:  It it ends like a it’s like a Tales From the Crypt story, you know, or Twilight Zone 1. Like, here’s your big twist, and then this guy’s getting it. So, you know, you do feel obviously, you feel bad, and it’s kind of shocking. But the movie does a really good point in making all of this just a little a little tenuous, I think.

Craig:  Oh, yeah.

Todd:  It really works for me. I love This movie. And I’m so glad that you didn’t read anything about it, that you didn’t know anything about this going in, that you hadn’t read any articles about it, because That ending is so important, and I feel like this this this movie is a slow burn, and it’s a journey. And I feel like you gotta go through the whole journey to really appreciate it. And on top of it, it’s just such a uniquely bizarre film. Mhmm. But it works. You know? It it doesn’t fit in a particular genre.  I you know, primarily, it’s kind of a mystery. But because of the ending and the subject matter, it it is a horror film. But like you said, it’s also a musical. It doesn’t really have comedic elements to it, but it’s kind of funny what’s what’s happening with him and how they’re playing with him at times. It it just has a little bit of everything, and the music is really good. It is. The music, it really fits with the film. It was lovingly crafted.  It’s just the kind of movie that’s that’s what I would say about it. It’s a lovingly crafted movie. It happens every once in a while, And, that was why I was so appalled to hear that they remade it. And I’m also appalled to hear that the remake sucked, because I’d hate for somebody to watch that and kind of Get exposed to the bare bones of the story without being able to go back and appreciate this movie, you know, for the 1st time.

Craig:  This is the kind of movie that I can’t imagine why anybody would look at it and think, you know what? We should remake this. Like, it’s it’s such it’s so odd and and unique in its own way. You can’t I mean, what are you gonna do? I mean, either you try to recapture exactly what it already did or you try to update it in some way, which just seems Stupid. Like, it just seems like a foolhardy endeavor. I didn’t love it, but I did really appreciate it because it made me think, And I didn’t expect that going in. And even in the first, you know, 45 minutes, I didn’t anticipate that, but it really did make me think about, you know, belief and faith and what that means. And, you know, I I thought that it was really interesting at the end as he’s pleading Howie says something like, what if this doesn’t work? What if you sacrifice me and you still have a bad harvest next year? Then what? And he says to Summerisle, the only better sacrifice would be you. And I saw A flash of doubt on face.  Whereas before he had seemed so confident, The idea that, potentially, if this didn’t work, that his life might be in danger, I just got the slightest indication that that gave him pause, and, I really liked that.

Todd:  Yeah. You know,

Craig:  I think that that questioning of faith and, You know, comparing one faith to another and feeling so strongly that you are right in your faith and others are inherently wrong because you are right, I I just think that’s a really interesting concept. You know, I watched this a couple days ago, and I’ve really kinda been thinking about it since then. So, when a movie can make me ponder things like that, I think it’s successful.

Todd:  Yeah. It really is. It hits on so many different levels. It’s quite good. Hopefully, if you had any interest in seeing this movie, you didn’t get to the end of this podcast before seeing it. And even if you have, go out and see it anyway. I mean, you can still enjoy it. Yeah.  Alright. Well, thank you so much for listening to another episode. If you enjoyed it, please share it with a friend. You can find our Facebook page by just by searching 2 guys and a chainsaw on Facebook. We also have a website out there, 2 guys.red40net.com, where you can find this and All of our past episodes available for downloading or streaming. If you have any ideas for any films you’d like us to do in the future, send us a Quest, we do fulfill those quite frequently, and you can do that either on Facebook or on our comment page on that website. Until next time. I’m Todd.  And

Craig:  I’m Craig.

Todd:  With 2 Guys and a Chainsaw.