Color Out Of Space (2019)

Episode 494, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast

Todd: Hello and welcome to another episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw I’m Todd. 

Craig: And I’m Craig 

Todd: This week we’re doing a film that came out in 2019. 2019 doesn’t seem like that long ago to me- No … but actually it’s been a while. It’s been, like, seven years, so I guess it’s an older movie, whose standards you’re going by.

But, you know, we’ve always been apologists for Nicolas Cage. Both Craig and I think that he is an unfairly maligned actor. Did you see that interview that I posted to our patrons recently? 

Craig: I don’t think so. 

Todd: So I found an interview with him that The New York Times just did just last month or two, and it was very extensive and, you know, they just talked to him.

I mean, Nicolas Cage, I like the guy. I love his work. I think he’s an actor who does a lot of different interesting things, and he’s not afraid to be crazy, and I think people love to make fun of him. But there comes this tipping point where it’s just the thing you do, right? “Oh, Nicolas Cage, like, he’s this crazy guy, and, and we make fun of him, and he’s not serious,” and all that.

But don’t get me wrong, he’s, he’s eccentric. As an individual, he’s clearly eccentric. He seems to know that. He’s very self-aware, and he takes all these different projects, and he’s just interested in doing different stuff. He wants to stretch himself as an actor and do different things. And he also has his own little shtick, but I have no problem with the guy.

In fact, I really enjoy almost everything I see him in. And I, I… So anyway, I like Nicolas Cage, and I think you were inspired to pick this movie because of a movie we did recently, right? 

Craig: Just a couple weeks ago, I think. Yeah. 

Todd: Yeah. What was the connection? I can’t rem- 

Craig: We watched The Curse. I don’t rem- the, the ’80s.

Wil Wheaton- 

Todd: Right … 

Craig: the family on the farm. And I think both of us were aware that it was based on a Lovecraft story, but in looking into that movie, we, you know, found specifically that it was based on the Lovecraft story, The Color Out of Space. And we knew that this was another adaptation of the same story.

And, and both of us were left underwhelmed by The Curse. So I thought, while it’s still fresh in mind, why not do 2019’s Color Out of Space and see, you know… We’ll, of course, talk about it on its own merits, but I figured we could draw comparisons to the other one, too. 

Todd: There you go. Yeah. And, and I think that’s, that’s apropos.

Like, like, there’s a lot to talk about as far as comparing these two films. Have you read the original story? 

Craig: I- yesterday I did, after, after I watched this. Yeah, after I watched this, I was, um, curious, and I had time, so I, uh, listened to it and read along at the same time. Have you? You said you might, but I, I know you’ve been really busy.

Todd: God, I wanted to, but I’m traveling through Thailand with my family right now. I’ve been in Japan, I’ve been in Thailand, and it’s me and my parents and Kenji, and we’ve just been so busy that it was- Enough for me to just watch this movie. I actually woke up at 5:00 AM to watch this movie- Ugh … just to make sure that I could see it Yeah

before he woke up and before we got busy with our day, and now it’s evening time and we’re recording this. So, um- Yeah, ’cause I knew if I waited till evening I might not give myself the time. We might be- 

Craig: Sure … 

Todd: stuck in a taxi in Bangkok traffic somewhere, and I’d be freaking out. So I managed to watch this, and I didn’t do any research or anything on it, but, uh, I really enjoyed it a lot.

Craig: Good. 

Todd: I was really glad you picked it. I’m gonna just show all my cards at once. I thought it was a little long 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: But aside from that, like what a well-made movie. And I felt like, not having read the short story, just n- being familiar, I’ve read a few Lovecraft short stories. I was like, “This has to be a far better adaptation of the short story than The Curse ended up being.”

Am I right or wrong about that? 

Craig: No, it is. It’s better. Honestly, in, you know, having seen them both now and then reading the story afterwards, they both kind of draw from the same elements of the story kind of in different ways. Like, there are certainly things that happen, like specific details of the narrative that happen in both movies.

And, and in terms of that, neither of them really deviates a ton from the overall story, but that’s kind of the thing with Lovecraft stories. I’ve, I’ve said… God, it’s probably been years ago, we talked about Lovecraft, and I said that I’m a huge fan of his intellectual property. Reading him is a challenge for me, not because the text is challenging, you know, it’s, it’s relatively common language, but he writes in a really vague manner.

Like, all of his… Not all, but most of the stories that I’ve read are, are told from a first narrator’s perspective, and it sounds very much like folklore, and it kind of sounds like if an old, gosh, I don’t know, you know, some old bearded man telling you some story that his grandpappy told him. And so- 

Todd: It’s very narrated, right?

It’s not 

Craig: like a- It, it’s very narrated, and there’s not a whole lot of detail. Like- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: you really have to fill in the blanks with your imagination, which is good. I mean, I think that that’s, you know, a, an appropriate technique for storytelling. It’s 

Todd: part of his appeal, I think, honestly. 

Craig: Right. But when I say, like, I’m a fan of his intellectual property, like the whole Cthulhu mythos and that whole universe that he built, you know, the, y- you know, a, a, a whole, you know, communities and, and different cities and towns and universities and-

all of these ancient gods and all of these stories interconnected, like all of that is, is, is great. I, I’m super on board with it. And I really like all of the things that had been influenced by… Like, I love Lovecraftian stuff. Like, I love The Thing and any, you know- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: big Kaiju-type thing and… But all of that is so visual and so fantastic, and when you read it in his stories, it’s suggested.

Like- 

Todd: Yeah, he’s vague there. Well- 

Craig: It’s very, very vague 

Todd: It’s definitely worth talking about. It, it’s a little stodgy too, right? It’s a very old school way of writing, I think. But what you say, it, it’s like a guy imparting a story without giving a lot of detail. Like Stephen King he is not. 

Craig: Right. 

Todd: Uh, he’s like the opposite.

He’s gonna tell you the general gist of what happened, but your brain is gonna have to fill in the details. And I think that, I think that’s why he’s mined so much for material. 

Craig: Well, and that makes sense. 

Todd: Number one it’s public domain, so it’s free to mine. But yeah, you’re… Number two, you can then take this one story and you can really g- fill in the detail yourself however you want.

And what I really enjoy about him is he’s quite bleak. Almost like Poe in a way, where most of the stories, they don’t end well. Because it, the whole notion is that we are but insignificant nothings in the s- scope of the universe, and there are entities and beings and gods that are far greater to us that, that we’re just like ants to them under their feet.

Like, we’re nothing. Like, we’re just nothing. That that’s a horrifying thing to come face to face with, and you have… There’s nothing you can do about it. Like, if you do come face to face with it… Like, some of this with Lovecraft is that just coming face to face with it, you’ll go insane. 

Craig: Yes. 

Todd: Conceptually, these beings and these gods and everything are just so far removed from how we are in our world and our lives, and they’re so far bigger than us, that when we are faced with them our minds can’t comprehend them.

Our minds break. 

Craig: Right, and they are unfathomable- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: and therefore also indescribable. So 

Todd: Exactly, so he doesn’t bother. 

Craig: Right. He can’t describe it. You can’t describe it. Yeah, exactly. It’s unfathomable. And, and like that relates to this story too. Yes. Like this color out of space is unfathomable. Like, you can’t describe it.

I mean, we can kind of maybe kind of compare it to something, but it’s nothing like that. 

Todd: Yeah. And I think that’s what this movie did really well, is it- You know, it didn’t bother to try to describe everything. It was very visual and it relied a lot on the color, and there were lots of little symptoms of what was happening, but we never really know.

Craig: No. 

Todd: Where did this come from? Why is it there? What are the implications? How does it work? Anything like that. We just know it’s horrible to us, but also, in a way, it’s beautiful. And that’s, I think, the thing that I kinda came away from this movie with, was this sense that… What’s the word I’m looking for?

Just in awe. This is bleak. This is sad. This is horror, what happens to this family, what happens to people. But ultimately, this was nothing against them. 

Craig: No. You know what I mean? No, no, no. 

Todd: This was nothing against them or anybody else. This wasn’t a masked murderer with an agenda going through and killing people.

This wasn’t some entity that came down that wants to take over or whatever. This is just a thing that happened to these people that is far beyond their understanding and who they are and whatever. And for them, it’s horrifying because it destroys them But ultimately, it’s just the universe at work , you know?

Craig: Right. 

Todd: And that’s terrifying. 

Craig: True. Right. A- a- and yes, I don’t think that there’s any malice. I, I think that the movie more so than the story tries to give it some explanation. I mean, we’ll get into what it’s about. It’s about a meteor that falls on a farm and then weird stuff starts happening. 

Right. 

Craig: In the movie, at one point, and I’m getting way ahead of myself, but th- there’s something about they wanted to come here and recreate their own world or something.

Right. I don’t know. I wrote it down in my notes. So I, I think that it’s very much suggested in the movie that it’s some sort of sentient alien presence of some kind. But again, still vague, you know, like nebulous. We don’t really know for sure. In the story, it’s even… They just don’t know. Like Yeah … it came…

A- a- I mean, that’s one of the last lines, and I think they even use it in the movie. Like at the end, somebody says, “It was just a color out of space.” Like, and, and that’s the only way that they can describe it. The other thing that I like about Lovecraft’s stories, and again, it’s been a long time since I’ve read any others, but I feel like they are self-contained.

Like this is something that happened. You know what I mean? Like- Yeah … there, there, there’s a beginning and an end, and we’re actually looking at it y- from like a hi- a historical perspective. We’re looking at something that happened in the past. That’s why it feels like folklore. And I, and that’s cool. And the movie, I think, is good in the storytelling in that way, too.

But I think the thing that I was most impressed with in the movie was just how pretty it was to look at. Like- Hmm … this, I, I thought the cinematography was so great. Like it opens just with these shots from seemingly the floor of this very tall forest. I have no k- idea what type of trees these are, but- Yeah

a really super, super high canopy. It’s 

Todd: almost otherworldly, honestly. 

Craig: Yeah. It’s beautiful. Yeah. And it’s all in gray, and there’s mist and stuff. And, and there’s an opening passage that comes from the opening paragraph of the story that just describes the land and the history and, and suggests that it, you know, there’s lore about it or whatever.

And then I thought that it was- I don’t know. This is one of the only, I guess, issues that I had with the movie is that they then cut to what could look potentially like a period scene where it’s a girl, like, in a cape in a circle of stones and maybe candles. I don’t remember. But she’s, like, chanting and she has a pentagram tattoo on her foot, and she does this whole witchcraft thing.

She eventually says as she’s praying or chanting or whatever that she’s trying to burn the cancer out of her mom. 

Yeah. 

Craig: But it turns out it’s not a period thing because this good-looking guy from the EPA 

Todd: I guess, right? He’s down to do water surveys. 

Craig: And I know, and that was so weird to me because there was a similar thing in The Curse, and this doesn’t come directly from the story.

Todd: Really? 

Craig: W- yeah. 

Todd: Oh, interesting. 

Craig: Yeah. There are a couple of things like that. Another one is that the dad’s name is Nathan and his name is not Nathan in the story. But I wonder if his name in the story is, like, an older version of the name Nathan. I, I, I do think it starts with an N. I don’t remember. But yeah, that was a weird parallel.

But anyway, this guy says, shows up and again, just like in The Curse, basically for no reason says that he’s there to survey the water table for the hydroelectric company or something. And I guess he kind of, he takes the p- Like I said, the story is told from the perspective of a first-person narrator, an outside narrator.

Todd: So he’s like the narrator in a sense? 

Craig: This guy. This guy ends up- Oh, in the story … r- basically being… Yeah. Right. 

Todd: Even though in the movie we don’t really need a narrator, so- 

Craig: Not really … 

Todd: he’s not a central figure. He’s sort of an outsider to everything that’s happening. He’s sort of a glue that kinda comes it, he kinda holds it together.

He’s a, he comes in at the beginning to kinda help us introduce and then he goes away, and then all this stuff happens to this family, and then he comes in at the end. 

Craig: Yeah, and there are other little parts where there’s him and there’s also, uh, well We’ll get to them in just a second. So we get introduced to the whole family.

It’s a mom and dad. The mom’s name is Teresa. I’ll probably just call her mom. The dad’s name is Nathan. That’s Nicolas Cage , who I really like too. I, I really do think that he’s a very, very talented guy, and I think he knows exactly what he’s doing. 

Yeah. 

Craig: And to make those bold choices that he makes, the things that people imitate and make fun of him for, bold choices aren’t easy.

Yeah. 

Craig: Like, he’s not just goofing around. Like, he’s working. He’s making bold choices, and I think that that’s the sign of a, a good actor. Maybe a little bit more theatrical in style than some other film actors, but- 

Todd: He gets a little weird. He makes some weird choices, but so does Johnny Depp. Like, I fucking hated him in, uh, the Willy Wonka movie.

Craig: Yeah, I’m not a big fan of his. You 

Todd: know, you could say he made a bold choice there, but I thought it was stupid, you know? And it, and it degraded that movie for me. 

Craig: Well, that’s fine. I mean, that’s a, that’s a fair criticism. I think you could say that of- … some of Nic Cage’s movies too. I mean, if it’s- 

Todd: Yeah, we were not fans of Wicker Man, the, the remake.

Craig: Yeah, the… Yeah. 

Todd: Well, we thought it was hilarious, but 

Craig: It was fun, and you already said this, but I agree with you. You know, he likes to try new things, and he’s done some stuff recently that he’s almost unrecognizable in, and I’m a big fan too. I like him. 

Todd: What was that one that was big 

Craig: for- I can’t think of it 

Todd: God, what’s the name?

What’s the name? Long Legs. 

Craig: Long Legs. Long Legs. 

Todd: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. That 

Craig: one was creepy. And he was really creepy. 

Todd: Yeah, and you wouldn’t have known it was him. So he’s a good actor. He is good. So lay off this guy. Come on. 

Craig: I don’t know. I think he certainly has his fans, and I think that, I think that he, uh, that has a fairly good reputation.

I mean, I, I- I hope so … he’s an Academy… I think he’s an Oscar-nominated actor. I mean, he’s- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: he’s also been recognized for the more serious things that he’s done, so he’s doing okay. So there’s, okay, Mom and Dad, and then they have… Lavinia is their daughter. I think she’s the oldest. Then they have another teenage son, Benny, who smokes weed.

Like, that’s his character trait. 

Todd: That’s his thing, yeah. 

Craig: Yeah, and then they’ve got a l- a younger son. I would say he’s what? Like seven maybe? 

Todd: Mm-hmm. 

Craig: And his name is Jack, and he wears big, cute glasses, and he’s super cute, and that’s his character thing. And the things we learn about them is that they get all their water from a well.

They’re raising alpacas for meat. 

Todd: Okay 

Craig: I didn’t- Strange All right. And then at night when everybody’s doing their own thing, the dog senses something weird and starts, like, acting agitated, and, like, there’s kind of a weird pink light every once in a while, and the farm animals are getting agitated, and the electricity flickers, and Mom and Dad are, like, making out, and then all of a sudden this bright, bright, like, pink-violet light floods the house, and there’s a loud noise and a big blast of light, and the little boy, Jack, screams.

And when they go outside to investigate, they find a pink, glowing, m- stinky meteor. 

Todd: Now, am I wrong that he was the only one who actually thought it was stinky? 

Craig: No. 

Todd: Like, he’s really going on and on about how much it smells and how bad it is, and even when later on the, the mayor and the cops come over, they seem completely unam- unplussed, and one of them even says, “Yeah, I don’t really smell anything.”

Craig: Oh, I don’t know. I thought, I thought everybody smelled it. I, I think that he continues to s- wh- when I say he, the dad, continues to smell it longer than other people, but I thought… But I could be wrong. I don’t know. Okay. I don’t remember. But again, up to this point, aside from specific location, pretty much the same as The Curse- It is

including the fact that they swapped the genders of one of the kids. In the story, the family has three boys. It’s, it’s a mom and a dad and three boys. But anyway, so they find it, right? And Jack is acting weird, like he’s kind of in shock, but then he comes around and he says his head hurts. And then the sheriff and the mayor and that guy that I said before, Ward, come to check it out.

Just like with Ward, this sheriff and this mayor kind of have little side stories that don’t matter at all. 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: Like, I don’t know. I mean, I guess they’re, the movie is still kind of using the narrator framework. Like, Ward is telling us this story- But they didn’t necessarily need that. Like, this all- No

could have just happened to this family on their farm, and we could have just been objective observers. 

Todd: Yeah. I, I feel like in a sense a lot of films feel the need to bring in… Like, Ward comes in at moments to help explain things to us, ’cause he’s the water guy. There, there’s a sense that the water is contaminated- Yeah

at some point by this meteor, especially this well that’s there. But even Ward and, what’s her name again? Lavinia. Don’t they go out into the woods and there’s some rando guy in the woods, who also I feel like could have been excised from this and it would’ve been fine, played by- 

Craig: Tommy Chong. 

Todd: Yeah, from Cheech, from Cheech and Chong.

The, the… And, and, and he was, he was fine. He’s the typical g- kind of hippie dude living out in the woods. Off the grid, right. Off the grid, right, whatever, who’s already a little strange, so you know, whatever. But, but like, he makes tea for them as they come in, and, and they’re like, “Oh, this is a little weird.

This is a little strange.” It could be because this guy’s weird, so he just makes weird tea, but also this Ward happens to be a water expert, so he, he’s the one… I feel like his sole purpose in this whole story is just to tell us that the water that, with, with completely definitively that the water is bad.

We have a water expert telling us that the water is contaminated, and he just pops in every now and then to remind us of that. 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: It- And he’s got a thing with Lavinia. 

Craig: Kinda. 

Todd: Kinda, but I mean, it, it, he doesn’t have time to go anywhere. Like, they just- No … met, and, and she’s occupied with being- Messed with.

So like she- 

Craig: Right. ‘Cause a- as soon as the meteor lands, and again, just like in The Curse, they’re kinda like, “Eh, well, that’s weird.” Like Let’s leave it out our business. I, I did… I know, right. I did appreciate that Benny at least said something at like, he’s like, “Should we worry about radiation or, like, an alien virus or anything?”

And they’re like- … “Um, I- probably not.” Things start getting weird right away. Jack, the, the, the kid, is kind of acting off. The mom is acting a little off. Like, she says something to Lavinia that’s kind of out of character. Like, she accuses her of dressing too provocatively or something. That’s really out of character, and it really bothers Lavinia.

And everybody just kind of seems on edge. And yeah, then they, what’s-his-name, when they visit Ezra, the hippie guy, who’s there to give us exposition later about history of this place and aliens and, oh, I don’t know, weird stuff. 

Yeah. 

Craig: But, uh, he, he, what’s-his-name, Ward, tells us there’s something… He says, “There’s something off with the water.”

He looks at it. It’s, it’s, like, dark red. Like like- Clearly 

Todd: off. Like- You don’t need to be a water expert to know that there’s something 

Craig: off with this water. Yeah. It’s, like, filthy dirty. And, and he smells it, and he says, “It doesn’t smell weird, so it must just be, like, rust from the pipes or whatever, so it’s probably okay.”

Now, I was thinking, if it looks like that from rust- … surely that can’t be safe. 

Todd: I wouldn’t wanna drink that. No. It could be filtered, but you should get a Brita on that right away. I- 

Craig: But he, but then he’s like, but he’s like, “But I mean, if you want, I guess I could take a sample and test it- … if you want.” And Ezra’s like, “Well, I guess, if you feel like it.”

So he takes it, and then weird stuff starts happening. There’s, there’s a lightning storm. All of the visual effects are- 

Beautiful … 

Craig: beautiful to look at. The, the lightning is… It looks like lightning, but it also kind of involves these other kind of weird glowy fluorescent colors that it, that came with the comet.

But all of the lightning is striking the place where the comet hit- And somebody says it’s drawing the lightning. 

Yeah. 

Craig: That comes directly from the story and was not in The Curse. It’s funny, you know, I had kind of always wondered why they… If it was an adaptation of the story, why The Curse didn’t use the original title.

Well, it’s because they totally took that part out of the story. Like, aside from the glowing orb that lands, there’s nothing else about lights or colors in that movie. Mm. It’s all about the water. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Craig: So Color Out of Space wouldn’t have made any sense. Uh, and, and obviously the water is a thing here too, but there’s a lot more emphasis on…

Not more emphasis, but more than the other movie on this weird, these weird colors, and it, it ultimately… Again, it’s difficult to describe because it’s supposed to be, but it’s almost like an aura or a sheen. Like- Yeah … like the sheen of oil on water or, or- Mm … that they see sometimes in the trees at night, and it progresses throughout the movie and gets easier to see.

I watched this on a small screen in a bright room, which I do not recommend Turn the lights off for this one ’cause the colors are beautiful and it’s, it’s- Yeah … there’s subtlety in the beginning a- and then it gets more impressive the further on it goes. 

Todd: I think it’s a big screen movie, honestly, and also I like the whole concept.

I suppose this, and, you know, correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t know how strongly emphasized it was, I mean, it is the title of the story, but l- this whole idea that this color is there, it reminded me of the fact that we can’t see everything, right? We know there is ultraviolet light around us. There’s essentially a whole world of visuals around us that we don’t see, that we’re walking through every day that, for example, animals can see.

I, I think there’s certain animals that can see ultraviolet light, certainly insects. 

Mm-hmm. 

Todd: And so we’re unaware. You know, we walk around completely unaware of everything that’s around us because our senses are limited, and I, I think, I feel like in a way, th- thematically this movie alludes to that. Maybe the choice of the purple.

You know, this color out of space could’ve been anything, I suppose. I don’t know what it’s described as in the book- in the story, but, uh, in the movie they choose to use purple, and I can’t think that’s a coincidence ’cause it’s, you know, it’s kind of ultraviolet in a way, and that’s the spectrum we can’t see.

And so what I’m saying is I like this concept that there’s this thing that came out of space. It exists in this color that they see that’s unnatural. You know, it’s not a color that they would normally be seeing out in the woods and out and around, and, and, you know, it, it just, it, it ties in with what this is all about, this alien presence that’s a part of our galaxy and a part of our world but is really beyond our understanding, but has always been there and, and is there, and is affecting us in ways that are unfathomable.

You know? 

Craig: You’re right, unfathomable. I just think that that’s so creative on Lovecraft’s part. I mean, any- almost every single time that we try to discuss or represent alien life, we try to contextualize it in something that’s familiar to us. It’s like a humanoid thing, yeah. R- a humanoid thing or something, giant space robots or, or whatever but, but something that we can fathom.

Whereas it really almost seems as likely, if not more likely, that it might be something I mean, th- by the very nature of the word alien, it might be something that is so completely foreign to us that we just couldn’t understand it at all. It might be s- like, something that we’ve never encountered before, and I think that that’s what he’s presenting here.

We don’t really know what this thing is and, and there’s no way to contextualize it in a, a way that we can explain. But like you said, it’s not animal, vegetable, or mineral seemingly, and yet it affects- Everything. It seems to affect biology because all of a sudden, like, strange plants start coming up, just like these…

I- in this movie, there’s these red flowers that paint a very beautiful picture. But these red flowers that pop up everywhere, fuchsia flowers. I don’t know if it’s like Creating new creatures or just modifying? Hmm. Seems like it’s modifying- 

Todd: Maybe modifying. It’s hard 

Craig: to know, 

Todd: but yeah … creatures in 

Craig: nature.

Todd: There’s like a, an insect that crawls out of there that’s looks kind of like a- Out of the 

Craig: well … 

Todd: praying mantis, right? It 

Craig: seems to be centralized in the well at this point also. 

Todd: Yeah. And it’s kinda like a praying mantis, but you know, it gives us close-ups on it and you can tell it’s, it’s off. Like, it’s, it’s got more eyes than it should have.

Well, and 

Craig: we also, we also seemingly see from that insect… It seems like it’s from the insect’s POV or maybe it’s from the light’s POV. I, I, I do think that we do see from the light’s POV in other places because like, like I said, it’s kind of, the light is kind of centralized at the bottom of the well now, and that’s mesmerizing Jack.

Jack just sits and stares at the well all day and, like, whistles to it and shit. Right. But at s- at some point somebody walks over there and looks down and, and we get a POV looking up. But any time it’s, like, from the light’s POV it’s, like, negative exposure. It’s kind of inverse colors, yes. Yeah, inverse colors, and seeing it from the bug’s perspective in those reverse colors.

It’s weird. But it’s affect- so it’s affecting nature also. And but it also seems to affect, like, electricity, and it can turn cars off and on, and it can make the lights flicker, and it can make the internet go down, and it can project beautiful cosmic colors and patterns on computer screens and TV screens.

It’s messing with their phones. Yeah. I don’t know if it ever suggests that it, like, maybe messes with time, too. I, I, I think that the, the Lavinia and the brother, I think he says it messes with time, too. Like, “How long has it been since Dad went out there? How long have we been in here?” So it seems like whatever this thing is can manipulate time, space, electromagnetic stuff.

It can do almost anything seemingly. 

Todd: There’s a point here shortly after this insect pops out, I believe, and the little boy is, has this friend he claims he’s c- talking with inside the well. Like you said, he just kind of is just zero focused on the well at this point. They’re all watching TV or something, and Theresa’s preparing dinner, and she’s cutting a carrot, and she just sort of absentmindedly cuts off two of her fingers.

And she gets rushed to the hospital, but Benny stays behind. He goes out to put the alpacas back in their stables, but he doesn’t return until much later, and I think he says that it seems like time has sort of passed instantaneously for him- 

Mm-hmm … 

Todd: at that moment. Yeah, so yeah, that’s being messed up. And I, I swear there’s another moment, I don’t remember when it is, when it seems like also Lavinia, there’s a time jump for Lavinia as well.

Maybe it’s when she’s out doing a ritual 

Craig: Yeah, she’s standing, she’s doing dishes, and then all, like she closes her eyes for a second, and then she opens them back up, and then- It’s like nighttime … the big farmhouse sink, yeah, and the big farmhouse sink is spilling over and- 

Right 

Craig: And then Ward shows up again to tell them that the water is in fact contaminated.

But they’re all, at this point they’re all- Oh boy. Thank you, boy … acting kind of weird. I think Lavinia just kind of tells him to go away. And Jack is still just sitting there by the well say- giggling like a lunatic and saying he’s playing with his friends. So Wade goes to visit the crazy old Ezra again, and Ezra is hearing voices under the floor, and he says it’s the aliens.

And Wade’s like, “Okay. Well, don’t drink the water,” and he leaves. Like it’s so weird. Like, Wade is so nonchalant about all of this, I swear to God. 

Todd: Wade should be a lot more concerned as this guy who’s this water expert who’s, uh, supposedly you would think as part of his job has a responsibility to make sure that people are not drinking the wa- Like, that something happened.

You know, you gotta identify the problem, but then you also are supposed to inform people, like enforce a solution, bring in outside experts, right? You don’t just, you don’t just say, “Yeah, the water’s bad. All right, see you guys later.” 

Craig: Which is 

Todd: more or less what he does the whole time, 

Craig: right? I know. And there’s clearly something wrong with Lavinia.

Like, she’s sick. Like, there’s so- And, and she’s acting weird, and he literally says, “Okay, try not to drink the water.” Like, oh, boy. Yeah, gosh. And then, okay, so when the mom and dad come back from the hospital, they almost hit what looks like a demon cat, which is Ezra’s cat named G-Spot, which is kinda funny.

And yeah, I don’t know. More… The light comes out of the well. The dog barks and chases it, and then yelps as though it’s in pain. I, I mean, everything’s just acting weird for a long time, and at this point when Mom and Dad get back and they find Jack alone in the driveway, like, they’re both really pissed.

Yeah. And it’s at this point… And, and the alpacas are out again. Like, the alpacas keep escaping and getting out. But, uh, the, it’s at this point that Nic Cage starts flipping out, and it starts at a high level and kind of elevates from there, but it’s pretty upper level from this point on from him. 

Todd: People say that a lot about Nic Cage, about how he’s got, he’s always gotta flip out in a movie.

This movie’s no different. Some people will cynically say that he gets hired for these movies because of it. Like, “We, we need a character who’s just gonna go insane,” and, “Well, Nic Cage is our guy.” But he’s more muted in it. I don’t know. I mean, he does flip out, but I don’t know. I, I felt, I found his performance to be utterly convincing.

He’s just going crazy, but he’s not going insane crazy. He’s… There are moments where he seems a little more lucid. He’s kinda dealing with the situation at hand- Yeah … but then his mind is kind of elsewhere, so that’s present. I, I feel like his performance is great in this, honestly. It’s complex. It feels very natural to me 

Craig: I do too.

I mean, it’s, it’s not meant to be some sort of necessarily natural progression. He’s being influenced by some sort of alien force. Yeah. Like, w- it, it can be the flip of a switch. It doesn’t have to, you know, start subtly and progress. Anything can happen here. And, and you’re right. Th- there are moments where he freaks out, and then he can calm down again for a little while, initially.

And a- as the movie goes on and the stakes get higher and, and things start going bad, those moments of lucidity are fewer and far between until at the end he’s just a loon, but- Right. Um, no, I agree. I think it’s a, I think it’s a great performance. He’s, he’s crazy. But it, it also… You said believable. I don’t know if believable is the word I would use, but, like, menacing.

Like, I- Yeah … I put myself in the place of these teens, who seem to be kind of the only ones who are fully rational still at this point, and they’re concerned about their brother, they’re concerned about their parents, but they’re also concerned about themselves. And ultimately, they know they’ve gotta get out of there ’cause something’s wrong.

They can’t. They can’t. And seeing their dad behave that way, like, I, I thought that his delivery was, was, was good, was really unsettling. 

Todd: I don’t know why, but there were flashes to… What was the name of that movie that was done by the… It’s not Wolf, but it was one of the werewolf movies where they’re also in the woods, and the man transforms over time.

Was it called Wolf? Like, Wolf- 

Craig: I don’t know. I don’t remember. 

Todd: By the, the guy from the Saw movies- Liev Schreiber … and his wife. Yeah, Liev Schreiber and his wife. Oh, Wolf Man. Yeah, Wolf Man. Wolf Man, right? It had shades of that, but in this case, it’s happening to the entire family. 

Craig: Right. 

Todd: So everybody’s got their own flavor of going crazy.

You’ve got the little kid who’s, like, seeing things. You’ve got the mother, who’s just kind of out to lunch at this point. You’ve got the father, who’s going nuts. Lavinia seems to be the most lucid, but she’s trying desperately to solve the problem by doing her little rituals in the woods. And so- Uh-huh

she goes back out with a, with a copy of the Necronomicon. She starts mutilating herself, you know? She’s cutting herself and she’s carvi- I don’t know. I guess she got it from the book or whatever, but it’s… That’s disturbing. But what’s basically happening here is a lot of stuff. Like, a lot of this random, like, from almost from character to character- 

Craig: Yeah

Todd: bad things are happening. And I guess for me, this is where the movie slowed down a little bit. And, and I don’t really, I don’t, I can’t really criticize the film for it because I thought it was appropriately played out and appropriately paced, really, to what real life would be. I guess I just got a little impatient, ’cause I was like, “All right, I get it.

I mean, everybody’s being affected by this thing. I don’t see a way out for any of them. I don’t see anybody coming to help them.” And so I’m just sitting and watching all this play out for quite a while. And if I had any criticism of the movie, I thought that could have been tightened up a little bit.

Craig: Yeah. I mean, I get what’s going on. I mean, they’re, it, it’s, they’re trying to show us kind of- I guess as quickly as possible, though it does seem to go on a little bit long, the progress of what’s happening on the farm because things are progressing. Like, those red flowers are popping up all over the place.

There’s the- Alpacas are going nuts and- They’re go- the alpacas are going nuts. The, he does the, you know, he harvests these big, huge, beautiful tomatoes and these big, b- beautiful peaches, but they taste awful. Mm-hmm. Which again, we saw in The Curse in a much more graphic fashion. This is more d- you know, they, they didn’t ex- like explode Evil Dead style all over his face.

They just, they just tasted bad. Was, was 

Todd: that, is that in the story? I wondered. 

Craig: Uh, yeah. What looks like a beautiful harvest is inedible. And the same thing… The, the difference is… Well, for a couple differences. First of all, you said the story potentially would be much slower paced because it takes place over the course of months in the story.

Hmm. In the movie it takes place over a, a few days. The other difference is instead of the farm growing progressively more colorful, like it almost becomes like a, an Oz-type- 

Todd: Yeah … 

Craig: place. In the story, eventually all the color starts to drain from everything. Oh, interesting. Um, and everything, everything kind of crumbles away to just like gray ash, which, which we see, I guess, at the end of the movie, but it’s, it’s, it’s not instantaneous in the story.

It’s, it’s gradual. Right. Same outcome, but gradual. Hmm. But yeah, I mean, I think that’s what they’re showing us is, you know, that this is continuing. And, and you said, you know, we see this family and we see there’s no way out for them. In the back of my mind, and, and the teenagers keep saying this too, is they need to get out.

Like, just leave. Yeah. Like, there’s, there’s something bad here. And I think that as a teenager or as a kid, if I had seen this movie, that’s what I would be thinking. As a grown-up, I realize that that’s easier said than done . You know? Like- Yeah … this is their home, you know? They’re, it’s, it’s their entire l- livelihood.

Like, to just pack up and go i- isn’t as easy as a decision as it might seem. Nonetheless, if all this crazy shit starts going down at my house, I’m getting out. 

Todd: But it, it’s also a bit Tommyknockers like this too, in that the effect of what’s happening to them is affecting their judgment and their ability to leave also, right?

True, true. So I feel like that’s, that’s a factor here that’s implied. There’s the actual practical aspects of the car is not working, and they’re isolated, and their phones are dead, and all that stuff. But then there’s also the fact that they’re constantly distracted by whatever’s happening to them, that they can’t leave.

And so, you know, I, I thought that was effectively done, especially the woman. I mean, she’s gone. The little kid’s gone. The girl’s trying to hold it together. Weirdly, Ward is in and out. He should be in or he should be bringing help. You know, eventually he does, but God, that takes him forever. Jack, right, the, the father, he’s, he’s just going crazy.

So- 

Craig: Nathan’s going crazy. Well, right. Nathan. Sorry, yeah. And, and th- and then this is where things really start to go bonkers. Like, they start seeing the light more and, and, you know, recognizing that it’s something weird. Like, the al- Benny goes out to s- uh, Benny and Jack go out to, like, feed the alpacas or something, but they’re all messed up, like gross and, like- Like the Thing

exposed flesh. Yeah. Yeah. They were like one mass of almost seems- Well, they’re not conjoined yet when they go out there, but the light, like, shines out of there and, like, chases them. And the mom intercepts and grabs Jack, and they, like, huddle down together, and the light beams directly on them. And then from that point forward, they are conjoined together- Ugh

in a grotesque Thing-like thing. And this part was the most disturbing part of the movie because they were clearly, like, miserable. In pain. Yeah. They were- Ugh … in pain and i- you know, they were moaning and crying, and, and they couldn’t talk. But you could just imagine them begging to be put out of their misery.

And at this point, like- What are you gonna do? Nothing. You can’t just take them to the hospital. 

Todd: Ugh, this was horrifying, honestly. Tell me about the story. Does the story have this in it? 

Craig: No. No. Oh. The mom, the mom gets so crazy that they lock her up in the attic. As they do here, they put this thing, the mom Jack thing up in the attic.

In the story, it’s just the mom. She goes so crazy, and they leave her up there, and then it says that it’s unfathomable what she became in there. That’s it. That’s the end. And then one of- Okay … and then one of the other sons goes crazy like that too, and they lock him in the room across the hall. So I think that’s the Jack-mom connection from the story.

And then in the movie, as Benny and Lavinia are trying to leave, they try to leave on the horse, but the horse has sparkle eyes and, and goes crazy and leaves. He thinks he hears the dog crying from the well, so he starts to crawl down in there, and then it all lights up, and the light shoots up and, and gets him.

And later, when Ward and the sheriff come to check things out, the only person still around is the dad downstairs. And they’re like, “How is everything?” And he’s acting totally… He’s like, “Oh, we’ve had some trouble around here, but, uh, I think… I’m glad you’re here.” And they’re like, “Where’s your wife?” And he’s like, “She’s right there,” to an empty chair.

Mm-hmm. And that specific moment does happen in the story too. But this is basically when they discover, you know, the monster upstairs, and it’s like, it’s like a mom spider monster now. 

Oh, God. 

Craig: And it’s… I couldn’t tell if it… I think the dad, as he went crazy, grabbed Lavinia and threw her in there and said, “Here, feed your mother.”

Todd: Yes. Oh my God. This was all so disturbing. You know, it’s, it’s rare. We’ve done so many of these things and we get so jaded. It’s rare for me to watch a movie where I’m truly disturbed, and watching this mother-son conjoined thing happen was so upsetting. And then when the dad throws her in there and says, “Feed your mother,” it’s like, oh my God.

Everything about this was upsetting. And so I give the movie serious props for making this call, for, for changing the story, turning it into this, making it this weird Society-type- 

Craig: Yeah … 

Todd: melding. I mean, the way they describe it is that he is being absorbed back into his mother, which is brilliant bec- you know, she’s his mother.

Like, she gave birth to him, now she’s reabsorbing him. Right. But it looks painful, and they’re miserable, and they will not stop wailing and crying and being upset. And the other two are either so far gone or just, like you said, “What can we do?” They just don’t know what to do. You, you can’t call an ambulance for this sort of thing.

They know everything is wrong, and so you see the inevitable end coming. And then, of course, Nicolas Cage’s character realizes that. 

Craig: Mm-hmm. 

Todd: And that adds another dimension to this that it’s also really upsetting God, this movie’s good in this way. Uh- 

Craig: It is. It is. And, and when, when the sheriff and Ward arrive, the dad starts to take them upstairs and he’s saying about how like, “We all stick together now except for Benny.

Benny lives in the well now.” Ugh. And that’s directly from the story too. The, the dad said one of the sons lived in the well now. But that, that whole “we all stick together now,” I felt like that was- Hm … obvious double entendre. 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: Because I couldn’t tell, but it seemed to me not that the mom was necessarily trying to eat the daughter, but to assimilate with her.

Because also, God, I don’t remember when it happens, if it’s… Maybe it’s later. The sheriff and, and Ward and the dad come in, and I think the dad ends up shooting the mom’s head off, saving the daughter. And then he also shoots… The, the son’s face is like in part of the mom’s body, ugh, crying and stuff, and he shoots that too.

Hm. But I think they were all going to assimilate together. Gosh, I don’t know. At some point, somebody goes out to the barn and all of the alpacas are fused together. They look like a Hydra or something. Like, it’s just all these- Yeah … like long-necked alpaca heads on this one big mass. And I read that the, the guy who made this movie was inspired by John Car- Carpenter.

There’s obvious The Thing references. 

Oh, yeah. 

Craig: But also when you see th- those alpacas, there’s a close-up of one of its eyes and its pupil has started to separate, uh, like it’s separating into two pupils. And I read, I didn’t remember this, but apparently that is what the pupils look like of the eyes of the people in, In the Mouth of Madness- Oh

when they’ve been demonized or whatever. I don’t remember. I don’t remember. So, yeah. We should do that sometime. So, I mean- Yeah, we should. It’s a great movie. But direct references to those, I don’t know. And then they go out and they look for Ezra, leaving L- Lavinia behind, and the dad by themselves I think, right?

Or is the dad- Mm-hmm … dead at this point? I don’t even remember. 

Todd: Not yet. No, Dad, so- 

Craig: This is when they go to Ezra and he’s rambling, or at least at first Ward thinks he’s rambling. Hm. Um, but it really is just a recording of him. And I don’t know if you can put it in or whatever, but if I remember- Exposition

he talks about- It’s exposition about an alien world, or these aliens trying to change our world into what they know and make it more like its own world. 

Yeah. 

Craig: And he says, you know, the, it, it can affect everything because everything that lives drinks the water. And he says, “It’s just a color out of space.”

And then light, light comes out of his head. At some point… Oh, gosh, it, it’s coming up. It, light comes out of his head, so the sheriff and Ward run away. But a tree Grabs the sheriff Hmm. Evil Dead style and- Mm, pulls him up and he’s dead … pulls him up and crushes him. And Ward gets back, I guess, and Lavinia’s eyes are glowing, and like light and patterns burst out of her eyes as he, as Ward is looking into him.

And it’s like he sees the alien planet, and it’s weird. 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: But I thought it was kinda cool. 

Todd: Yeah. I, I, I don’t know. Honestly, I felt like this whole Ezra bit was almost too on the nose. Uh, my only other criticism of this, criticism of this movie was we didn’t need that explanation. 

Craig: No, not really. 

Todd: I- i- it almost felt a little childish for me to get this direct explanation of these aliens.

I’m like, up until this point, this movie had been sufficiently mysterious and surprising. And again, like we’ve been talking about with the Lovecraftian style, like just everything incomprehensible. So to have a recording from a guy who had kinda sorted it all out and left the recording going for people to find was, felt really dumb.

Like, this bit I almost… I kinda cringed at, honestly. I feel like if you had cut that out, it would’ve felt better for me because I got it. I got what I needed to get, you know? We know this thing came from an alien planet. We don’t know what it is or whatever, but it’s having its effect that it’s gonna have, and that’s enough.

I, I didn’t need to hear… And it didn’t, it didn’t help me at all. It didn’t add anything to the movie for me to hear this little explanation that was delivered through a tape recorder from this guy in the woods. I’m like, “Um, come on. This is so cliche.” You know? 

Craig: Yeah, it’s unnecessary. It’s not necessary. The, the whole, you know, the whole flyby of the alien planet I thought looked cool, so I don’t know.

And I kinda like that convention- That would’ve been fine. 

Todd: No, I liked that bit … 

Craig: and I kinda like that convention in horror movies where somebody just, you know, gets a, a psychic glimpse of- Yeah … an alien world or a hellscape or, or something, so- 

Todd: I liked 

Craig: that … I agree. The exposition was unnecessary. 

Todd: Yeah, yeah.

Craig: But, uh, yeah. So he sees that, and then he snaps back into reality, and then there’s a huge pillar of light that comes out of the well and shoots up into the sky that reminded me very much of the finale of The Gate. And then this is somewhat reminiscent of The Gate, too. I didn’t understand this. I think Lavinia…

No, I don’t even know what happens to Lavinia. I feel like- She kind of just like- … Lavinia disappears to the alien planet or something. 

Todd: She just kind of disintegrates into nothingness, right? Like, gets sucked up into the whole thing. 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: She kind of like holds her arms out, looks up at the sky, and then pieces of her just kind of drift away.

Craig: And then Ward goes back into the house and the rest of the family are like dead but sitting in the living room. Yeah. And the dad attacks him, and Ward runs down to the cellar, and then while he’s down in the cellar, the ground starts shaking, and then everything explodes in light. Yeah. And the screen goes bright white And then it cuts back to this desolate

At first I thought it was snow, but it’s not. It’s like ash and dust covering everything. And, you know, it’s just like the rubble of the house, and Ward crawls out of it. And it’s like the nuclear apocalypse. Like, dust is just- Yeah … you know, all in the air, and everything’s covered in dust. And now the house is at the center of a huge crater, which, cut back to present time when Ward is narrating this from, has been turned into a lake, which apparently was a subplot.

Like, apparently that was part of the reason that he was there, and, like, he was doing side things- Oh … with the mayor, that their, their farmland- They were gonna put a, build a dam. Yeah. They were gonna, they were gonna flood out the farm anyway. Oh. But, uh, they cut that. Anyway, it becomes a lake, and the narrator, again, it’s directly from the text of the story, but he says something, “Uh, maybe that water someday will be clean, but all I know is I’ll never drink it.”

And then more, “It was just a color out of space, a message from some other time and place.” Something, I don’t know. 

Yeah. 

Craig: And then he walks away, and a bug flies across the sunset screen, and then that’s the 

Todd: I love… I wanna know how the story ends, because I love this kind of ending where this thing that happened was just buried underneath a reservoir that maybe millions of people enjoy and go by and see and don’t realize that there’s something underneath there that maybe could be awakened later.

Like, oh, God, I love that kind of resolution. But does the story end that way? Is it, is it basically the same? 

Craig: Yeah, I think so, and I think that it does eventually become a lake. I, like, i- the, the, the crater that it creates where everything is dead, everybody just avoids it, and, like, animals get really anxious when they go near it.

Horses don’t wanna go near it. Dogs won’t go near it, stuff like that. So people mostly just avoid it, and they said that it seemed like the parameter continued to expand by a couple of inches every year. 

Todd: Oh, interesting. 

Craig: But then I think it was filled and became a lake, and, and it ends, you know, with the same thing, like, “I would never drink that water.”

Todd: It just- 

Craig: Lore kind of stuff … 

Todd: I like the kind of ending, but with everything that happened in this movie up to this point, it’s hard to believe it could just possibly end there, right? Like- 

Craig: Yeah … 

Todd: how does just flooding this lake with water just suddenly end all of this? You know what I mean? 

Craig: Right. 

Todd: Uh, yeah. So- 

Craig: And what happened?

Like, did the, did the light, whatever it was, did it just go away? Did it- Right. That’s my thing. Yeah … go back to its home planet? Did it, is it still there? Like- 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: Yeah. And, but a- again, I don’t need a definitive answer. That’s fine. 

Todd: No. 

Craig: Um, I, I, again, like I said, just like the story, I kind of like that it’s encapsulated.

Like i-i-it’s, this is the story as we know it, this is the beginning, this is the middle, and this is the end. Like, that, and that’s- Mm-hmm … that’s all we know I think that the movie is as good an adaptation of the story as you could get unless you wanted to make it a period piece, which would make it more authentic to the story, ’cause it should have happened in the 1820s or something like that, I think.

But, you know, I don’t think modernize it takes anything away from the story. I, and I, and I think it’s as good an adaptation as you could get, but there might be another one that goes in a different direction. Eh, and the story, as we’ve said many times, Lovecraft stories are like this. They leave a lot of room for artistic license and for- Yeah

creative license and, and for, you know, the imagination to run wild. And, and I really, I really, really like Lovecraft, Lovecraft adaptations, like Re-Animator, and there are many. But I also like… I love movies and stories that draw from that lore. I think it’s really cool and, and, as you mentioned, you know, Lovecraft is public domain, so people have a lot of freedom.

But so many authors and filmmakers draw directly from this lore. Stephen King has done it. You know, in our book club a long time ago, we read a story called Grandma that was inspired directly by the Cthulhu mythos, and there have been en- you know, endless references to Cthulhu or ancient gods, you know, under the ground, and, and so much of it comes from Lovecraft.

And I love all of that stuff. This one’s different. You don’t get any big kaiju-type monsters. It’s more abstract, but it’s beautiful to look at. I just think it’s a really well-made movie. I agree with you. From the start you said it’s a little bit too long, and I, I agree. I think they could have shaved off 20 minutes and it would have been perfect.

But overall, it’s, it’s a good movie and, and certainly far better than The Curse, which I still enjoy for some reasons, including the practical effects. But this is a much better movie. 

Todd: Yeah. I mean, really, The Curse feels like the ’80s adaptation of a story that is much better told with, you know- 

Craig: Yes … 

Todd: modern- Better effects, right

uh, sensibilities and effects and things like that. Yeah, for sure. The, you know, it was critically well-received. Even now it has an 86% on Rotten Tomatoes. It just didn’t do very well at the box office. The budget was somewhere between six to 12 million. Only made a million. The director, Richard Stanley, this was his big comeback.

I, uh, like almost a, over a, almost two decades from this point, he had been fired from The Island of Dr. Moreau. 

Craig: Right. 

Todd: Uh, there were some issues there with the production pretty early on in the process. He hadn’t done a lot of filming, and so he was like, “Oh,” and he, this was the first movie he made since then, and what a great comeback for him.

I mean, I really think it’s well done. It’s just a shame. He, he said that he wanted this to be the first of a trilogy of Lovecraft adaptations. He was… He has a script for The Dunwich Horror, which he was planning to shoot after this. You know, obviously this was done right just before COVID, so who knows what- if that’s been delayed because of this or because of the reception of this, or maybe he’s still working on it.

We just don’t have that information. But I would like to see more from this director, you know. Yeah. He’s done a few things. He, he, he hasn’t directed anything since then, but Dunwich is supposedly in pre-production according to IMDb. We’ll see if we get it, but, uh, that would be interesting to see because the only, I think the only major adaptation of the Dunwich Horror we’ve, we’ve had is a Roger Corman movie, which I th- I feel like we should do at some point, but I’m curious about.

I read that story a while ago, and I enjoyed it. It takes place at a university, which I always found kind of fascinating. 

Craig: Yeah, I think I’ve read it. 

Todd: And it was interesting because of the university that, the Miskatone University- Miskatonic, 

Craig: yeah … 

Todd: Miskatonic University is, is, it’s half obscured the entire time, so it’s clearly just a little Easter egg for the Lovecraft fans.

But it’s on Ward’s… It’s, it’s basically all that Ward wears through this whole thing is a shirt for Miskatonic. Yeah, I loved it. Like you said, I loved it. I thought it was a l- tad bit long, but honestly, I think it just really depends on how you’re feeling and what your preferences are because I can’t even really knock it too much for that.

Craig: No. 

Todd: I really enjoyed it. I thought it was beautiful, brilliantly done. It really inspires me to read the story, and I mean- 

Craig: It’s a quick read. You can read it in an hour. 

Todd: I should, yeah. And, and, and that’s, you know, it’s tells you something about the movie, I think, if it, if it inspires you to dig a little deeper into the story.

Yeah. Then highly recommend. Highly recommend you see this. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend. As you know, as we say all the time, just Google us, Two Guys and a Chainsaw Podcast. You can find us on Facebook, and you can find us on Instagram.

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